anyone still want to get into med? (1 Viewer)

[ninjapuppet]

Hi guys,

when i was doing my resident training at Swan Hill hospital, I met 2 interns that couldnt get into med locally, so 1 did his degree at the OUM, and another did his at RCS Ireland. They were telling me you can pay your way into med at both of them because they virtually let nearly anyone in who can pay their fees and show determination to suceed. i think OUM was just under 30k/year and RCSI was nearly 40k/year

Theres been talk of how overseas graduates cant get internships at Australian hospitals, but these 2 obviously managed to! so dont always believe the bullshit you hear.

I was (un)fortunate enough to get into med before all this umat was introduced... but i can understand the heart break if your UAI is high enough but didnt pass the umat. so if you are dead set on doing med, and still cant get into graduate med, theres always other ways.

Oceania University of Medicine
Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland

 

[Wooz]

The Tsunami is a now a reality with many Qld and NSW international med studens missing out on intenships (for 2010) altogether, none of them got offers in the first-round. It was never really an issue in the past till now. As we are now just starting to feel the flow on effects from the increase of medical schools from 11 to 20 in the last few years and ~230% in the amount of medical students.

I agree there are other ways and going overseas is an option for some, but bewarned you may have to sit AMC exams to get your degree recognised if it is not already recognised by the AMC. Plus you are no longer guarenteed internship as an overseas grad or AMC grad from 2013 in NSW and many other states.

A related article: Internships edge foreign doctors out | The Australian

 

[ninjapuppet]

Thanks for the heads up wooz..
The situation has definitely changed since a few years ago!.

IN that case, i would seriously reconsider, before forking out 40k/year + living expenses to go to ireland. And i can bet, the specialist colleges, wont be increasing their intake numbers in a hurry! That will leave the bulk of future doctors as CMOs.

 

[Wooz]

Thanks for the heads up wooz..
The situation has definitely changed since a few years ago!.

IN that case, i would seriously reconsider, before forking out 40k/year + living expenses to go to ireland. And i can bet, the specialist colleges, wont be increasing their intake numbers in a hurry! That will leave the bulk of future doctors as CMOs.

Yeah, many 3rd year students often ask their clinical supervisors if they know about the 'med student tsunami' the vast majority don't know anything about it.

The Rudd government doesn't want to pay money to the colleges to train specialists, it's a huge issue. All the Rudd government is willing to do in the comming years is to is inc RACGP by 200 or so.

 

[srikarr12]

Hi guys,

when i was doing my resident training at Swan Hill hospital, I met 2 interns that couldnt get into med locally, so 1 did his degree at the OUM, and another did his at RCS Ireland. They were telling me you can pay your way into med at both of them because they virtually let nearly anyone in who can pay their fees and show determination to suceed. i think OUM was just under 30k/year and RCSI was nearly 40k/year


Oceania University of Medicine
Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland

You still have to pass their admissions test though before you are accepted.

 

[ninjapuppet]

You still have to pass their admissions test though before you are accepted.

Ive never done the gamsat nor Umat, so cant compare, but i wouldnt think the gamsat scores would not be too high for OUM. even if you fail the gamsat, theres still ways around it. 5th paragraph on

Admission�-�Oceania University of Medicine

"If a candidate has at least five years of clinical experience as a healthcare professional, (i.e., nurse, physician assistant, chiropractor, respiratory therapist), the standardized admission test may be waived upon the Admissions Committee’s approval. "


and RCSI doesnt state it, but the intern that went there was a nurse previously for 4 years, and just had to have an interview with the dean and submit a 2 page letter. so in effect, no gamsat was required either.

 

[KFunk]

The Rudd government doesn't want to pay money to the colleges to train specialists, it's a huge issue. All the Rudd government is willing to do in the comming years is to is inc RACGP by 200 or so.

I semi-expect private providers to step in at some point (e.g. MQ potentially?), which would possibly please the government by (1) disempowering the colleges (glorified unions?) and (2) increasing the number of consultants, which could push down private fees given enough competition. It'll be interesting to see what happens.