Australia MIGHT go into a recession (1 Viewer)

[lunaaaa4403]

First off, if you look in your school, who's working harder; the kid with parents born in Australia who slacks off thinking it doesn't matter, or the kid with immigrant parents working laboriously and literally depends on their education for a future?

Also, your argument that paying people more will make them want to do the job is false. People would rather have time than money (hence why people procrastinate, and leave things till last minute). Additionally, the Australian budget is not enough to just pay everyone more for what they do, because where is that money coming from? The work that they do. So money is not the answer here.

Additionally, if wages rise than so will the cost of the degree to get that job. Who's more likely to pay off their degree in less time? The person that gets paid 150K per year, or the person that gets paid 100K per year? Clearly, Unis will want to take advantage of pay rises.


This is true. What about Australia's situation after the war, when British people were streaming into the country at such high volumes that Housing could barely keep up. https://collections.museumsvictoria.com.au/articles/13640

The post-war small home movement that helped deliver the great Australian dream

Tiny houses are all the rage at the moment for people looking for compact, affordable accommodation — but it's not the first time Australians have thought small.

www.abc.net.au

why do u think immigrants are poor have u seen how expensive the immigration process is??? also who tf are u talking to, yk you can reply to posts?

 

[Tony Stark]

why do u think immigrants are poor have u seen how expensive the immigration process is??? also who tf are u talking to, yk you can reply to posts?

Are you asking me or are you telling me?

 

[lunaaaa4403]

Are you asking me or are you telling me?

only question i have for u is why u would do maths science and hsie

 

[Tony Stark]

To learn maths, science and hsie

 

[lunaaaa4403]

To learn maths, science and hsie

ur a psychopath

 

[lunaaaa4403]

or getting band 3-4s in at least one subject

 

[Tony Stark]

I appreciate the motivation

 

[lunaaaa4403]

I appreciate the motivation

ur welcome. so which subject is it

 

[enoilgam]

As for nurses, if there's a nursing shortage, paying them more should be the first thing attempted. Instead, nurse pay have fallen in real terms over the past 5 years and weren't rising the decade before that.

The problem as well is the way they are treated, like compared to corporate they are treated woefully. Comparing management styles where I work (corporate) vs my partner (an ICU Nurse), the management style in healthcare is 20-30 years behind modern best practice. Like, so many issues in the profession could be fixed with effective management (which doesn't cost a cent).

Additionally, the Australian budget is not enough to just pay everyone more for what they do, because where is that money coming from? The work that they do. So money is not the answer here.

Unfortunately very true and this is a by-product of COVID. I said at the time and I re-iterate, every dollar wasted fighting COVID was a dollar that wont be there in the future.

However, to my earlier point, with all the uncertainty in the US, Australia should be taking the opportunity to try and rebuild its weak private sector and build up its tax base rather than building growth through immigration/public spending.

 

[lunaaaa4403]

The problem as well is the way they are treated, like compared to corporate they are treated woefully. Comparing management styles where I work (corporate) vs my partner (an ICU Nurse), the management style in healthcare is 20-30 years behind modern best practice. Like, so many issues in the profession could be fixed with effective management (which doesn't cost a cent).



Unfortunately very true and this is a by-product of COVID. I said at the time and I re-iterate, every dollar wasted fighting COVID was a dollar that wont be there in the future.

yeah, they wasted sm money trying to save dying old people and children

 

[enoilgam]

yeah, they wasted sm money trying to save dying old people and children

I think there needed to be a braver discussion about risk vs reward, safety vs freedom, short term vs long term with COVID. It was too reactionary trying to solve a short term problem without any regard to the long term. Unfortunately, we still haven't had a proper reflection on COVID which reviews the tough questions.

 

[lunaaaa4403]

I think there needed to be a braver discussion about risk vs reward, safety vs freedom, short term vs long term with COVID. It was too reactionary trying to solve a short term problem without any regard to the long term. Unfortunately, we still haven't had a proper reflection on COVID which reviews the tough questions.

yea so i was 13 during covid- whole thing was a fever dream

 

[lunaaaa4403]

ur welcome. so which subject is it

@Tony Stark is it physics or legal studies

 

[Tony Stark]

What do you mean 'Is it physics or legal studies'? Are you a green or are you yellowish-blue?

 

[SylviaB]

First off, if you look in your school, who's working harder; the kid with parents born in Australia who slacks off thinking it doesn't matter, or the kid with immigrant parents working laboriously and literally depends on their education for a future?

Really? Sudanese kids are the hardest working? Fascinating!

Also, your argument that paying people more will make them want to do the job is false. People would rather have time than money (hence why people procrastinate, and leave things till last minute).

That's not why people procrastinate, and people do not just choose whatever job takes the least time. And even if they did choose jobs on that basis, the government could offer lower hours for these jobs!

Instead, the government has neither reduced hours or increased pay, and basically done nothing to make these jobs more attractive. But you're out here screeching about how nothing they can do will make Australians want these jobs.

Additionally, the Australian budget is not enough to just pay everyone more for what they do, because where is that money coming from? The work that they do. So money is not the answer here.

The money is coming from not having to spend billions on additional infrastructure to accomodate hundreds of thousands of immigrants each year.

Additionally, if wages rise than so will the cost of the degree to get that job. Who's more likely to pay off their degree in less time? The person that gets paid 150K per year, or the person that gets paid 100K per year? Clearly, Unis will want to take advantage of pay rises.

Universities cannot arbitarily increase the cost of degrees, and in any case, what's your point? Medical degrees are the most expensive in Australia, and yet over 4,000 students start medical degrees each year and thousands more would if they could get entry if they could.

Oh, and doctors work very long hours for a very long time.

By your smooth brained logic, nobody should be studying medicine in Australia. But they are, because you're wrong.

 

[SylviaB]

bitch this country is like 5 years old, we were all immigrants a few generations ago

European immigrants and their descendants are the ones who built this country out of nothing, and they came here at a time when Australia needed more people, and when immigrants received very little government support. They also had the same culture as most of the population that had already immigrated here (most immigrants were British and Australia was literally a collection of British colonies for most of its history). And it is soley because of these immigrants and their descendants that Australia become a nice enough country that people want to move here today. And of course, these are the people who were conscripted to risk their lives fighting for Australia in three different wars. And let's not forget that many of the earliest Europeans in Australia were people sent here against their will to a life of hard labour.

Today, Australia has too many people, it doesn't need more. It may need more people in specific fields, but the worst way of accomplishing this is mass immigration and hope some of those people work in the fields we need. And immigrants today obviously have a different culture and have zero interest in assimilating, but will instead cry that Australia isn't more like the shithole countries they left in the first place. So they see Australia as nothing more than an economic zone that should change itself to suit their (the immigrants) culture, despite said culture resulting in countries that they didn't even want to continue living in (contrast with British immigrants leaving Britain at a time when it was the most developed country in the world). And how many of these ungrateful immigrants would ever in a million years think of risking their lives to defend Australia? Not one in ten.

The arrogance of non-western immigrants today is truly incredible, when they come from populations who have accomplished so very little. No really, think about the superiority complex they have despite the fact that they never managed to build a successful country in the first place with billions of people and thousands of years to do, so they have to move to a country created by the white people they look down on, who in a few centuries built a better country than most countries that have ever existed.

 

[enoilgam]

European immigrants and their descendants are the ones who built this country out of nothing, and they came here at a time when Australia needed more people, and when immigrants received very little government support. They also had the same culture as most of the population that had already immigrated here (most immigrants were British and Australia was literally a collection of British colonies for most of its history). And it is soley because of these immigrants and their descendants that Australia become a nice enough country that people want to move here today. And of course, these are the people who were conscripted to risk their lives fighting for Australia in three different wars. And let's not forget that many of the earliest Europeans in Australia were people sent here against their will to a life of hard labour.

Today, Australia has too many people, it doesn't need more. It may need more people in specific fields, but the worst way of accomplishing this is mass immigration and hope some of those people work in the fields we need. And immigrants today obviously have a different culture and have zero interest in assimilating, but will instead cry that Australia isn't more like the shithole countries they left in the first place. So they see Australia as nothing more than an economic zone that should change itself to suit their (the immigrants) culture, despite said culture resulting in countries that they didn't even want to continue living in (contrast with British immigrants leaving Britain at a time when it was the most developed country in the world). And how many of these ungrateful immigrants would ever in a million years think of risking their lives to defend Australia? Not one in ten.

The arrogance of non-western immigrants today is truly incredible, when they come from populations who have accomplished so very little. No really, think about the superiority complex they have despite the fact that they never managed to build a successful country in the first place with billions of people and thousands of years to do, so they have to move to a country created by the white people they look down on, who in a few centuries built a better country than most countries that have ever existed.

Couldnt agree more and a nice, no rage bait post either. Dont get me wrong, Im all for immigrants celebrating their culture and honestly, it's great having so many different cultures around. However, ultimately you have to fit in and be accepting of the countries values and institutions. I think a vast majority of immigrants, even today do the right thing and you can see this as their children who are born and here fit in quite well. But there is a segment of immigrants who fragrantly disrespect the country and you can see that reflected in their children who honestly are even more disrespectful.

I just cannot understand immigrants who come here and carry on with the same nonsense from overseas (sexism, racism, sectarianism, homophobia etc). Like, at what point does a person stop and say "We did things this way in our home country and it was shit, maybe we should follow the Aussie way because their way seems to work". It's just so stupid. Instead the logic is "Im coming to Australia for a better life, but let me just do the same shit I did in war ravaged, corrupt back-home-istan". Logic/10.

 

[Socialism]

i'm neither agreeing or disagreeing i just think you've both raised interesting points here

 

[Socialism]

blah blah blah im sylvia

also thats actually a good application of the quote button ive never thought of using it to respond to multiple parts of a message
im gonna steal that LOL

 

[enoilgam]

i'm neither agreeing or disagreeing i just think you've both raised interesting points here

Im not saying immigrants need to find themselves flannos, thongs and chuck some prawns on the barbie. At the same time though, I think its stupid to be complaining about how the NAPLAN shouldnt be on during Ramadan. Sorry, this is Australia, maybe give Ramadan a miss for your kids.