Australian Politics (2 Viewers)

[Lentern]

Lol sure, Costello chose to not recontest the seat in an even more elaborate ploy to achieve leadership of the party he has never wanted to lead. Makes so much sense...

I'll have no lectures from he who tipped nsw labor to win the next election.

 

[Iron]

Shorten looks errily like my mum -men's hair...

 

[Lentern]

Lentern, I would kill a nun for your wicked sense of imagination.

PM me your secret herbs.

Every rise to prime minister has been complex, unlikely and extraordinary. In 1975 after having allready lost a leadership challenge to Snedden the idea of Fraser being prime minister was bizzare. Snedden was leading Whitlam in the polls, most pundits expected Snedden to win the next election quite easilly. Fraser pledged loyalty to Snedden vowing never to run for the leadership whilst Snedden held it nor ask Snedden to step down. A year later Fraser had won the largest electoral victory in Australian political history.

Bill Hayden had defeated Hawke in one leadership challenge, he had the endorsement of Whitlam and Uren and was ahead of Fraser in the polls. Hawke was a parliamentary novice who had previous stated there was no way he would challenge Hayden for the leadership. Gough Whitlam days before Haydens resignation went on TV saying that the Australian labor party was absolutely commited to seeing Bill Hayden contest and win the next federal election. Hayden was forced to resign and Hawke was made prime minister weeks later.

John Howard in 1989 appeared finished. He had lost ground on Bob Hawke in the previous election and the partyroom voted overwhelmingly in favour of Peacock. Peacock made huge inroads into Hawke's majority, winning the popular vote and in the eyes of many confirming his superior ability to Howard. In 1993 Howard challenged Hewson and lost and it was widely thought to be a stupid and desperate attempt. When Downer was preparing to challenge Hewson Howard was told in no uncertain terms by his supporters to piss off he was yesterdays man and line up behind Downer. An opinion poll in 1994 had Howard finish fourth in prefered opposition leader behind Woodridge, Bishop, Hewson and Downer. In 2007 he left office the most succesfull politician since Sir Robert Menzies.

And Rudd, mocked by Latham as a waste of a safe seat, considered by Costello to be less of an electoral threat than Carmen Lawrence and in 2001 when Beazley appeared to be headed for a landslide victory an unknown backbencher.

To say there have been less likely prime ministers than Peter Costello is an understatement, Give me the name of a more likely one.

 

[Lentern]

Shorten looks errily like my mum -men's hair...

Ease the squeeze

 

[blue_chameleon]

I'll have no lectures from he who tipped nsw labor to win the next election.

I'd say that actually has bucket loads more chance of happening than the lovely story you mentioned involving Pete.

Totally just my featherweight opinion though.

EDIT: Make no mistake, i'd love to see Costello run the country.

 

[Iron]

To say there have been less likely prime ministers than Peter Costello is an understatement, Give me the name of a more likely one.

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The leader of the opposition.

 

[blue_chameleon]

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The leader of the opposition.

You must spread some Reputation aro...

You get the idea.

 

[Lentern]

I'd say that actually has bucket loads more chance of happening than the lovely story you mentioned involving Pete.

Totally just my featherweight opinion though.

EDIT: Make no mistake, i'd love to see Costello run the country.

What possible scenario could you dream up to see NSW labor win? O'farrell gets romped by someone more hardline who thinks the election is in the bag and goes to the election promising to bring back corporal punishment in schools or proposes to privatise the harbour bridge? At any rate Iron singled out the dissent of Debnam as the reason O'farrell would lose. He then defended the decision by implying the victory was conditional on Iemma leading the party.

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The leader of the opposition.

Clinton to be president
Iemma to remain Premier
Latham to be prime minister
Turnbull to be prime minister
Bob Ellis knows what he's talking about

Do you read Peter Hartcher by any chance?

"I'll tell you how to save the ozone, what we need is a bloody big pipe"

 

[Iron]

Haha you stalking weirdo. I actually rarely frame my political comments in horse-racing terms, you nong. I always said that Clinton should win the nomination, though she was mostly the underdog. I thought NSW Labor would have been better served if Iemma remained premier. I never 'tipped' Latham or Turnbull victories, but i've liked aspects of them both and they both have/had a somewhat reasonable chance of winning.
Some of us think that politics is actually about real things, you know, and the policy of a party is something that can be intelligently viewed and weighed up by the voter, yeah? Not all of us have morbid obsessions with the 'celebrity' aspect of MPs or grow the gambler's thrill of guessing the unguessable, you shallow cunt.

 

[blue_chameleon]

What possible scenario could you dream up to see NSW labor win? O'farrell gets romped by someone more hardline who thinks the election is in the bag and goes to the election promising to bring back corporal punishment in schools or proposes to privatise the harbour bridge? At any rate Iron singled out the dissent of Debnam as the reason O'farrell would lose. He then defended the decision by implying the victory was conditional on Iemma leading the party.

Whoosh. Kind of expecting it though, tbh.

I have absolutely no scenario envisaged that could see NSW Labor win the next election, but your eyes have light up, licking you lips like Wylie Coyote and you have completely missed what I have said.

I think the likelihood of the notion that Costello would return from political retirement is as outlandish as saying that NSW Labor will pull victory from the next state election. FFS.

That said, you can never say never. Both to Costello and/or NSW Labor.

 

[Lentern]

Haha you stalking weirdo. I actually rarely frame my political comments in horse-racing terms, you nong. I always said that Clinton should win the nomination, though she was mostly the underdog. I thought NSW Labor would have been better served if Iemma remained premier. I never 'tipped' Latham or Turnbull victories, but i've liked aspects of them both and they both have/had a somewhat reasonable chance of winning.
Some of us think that politics is actually about real things, you know, and the policy of a party is something that can be intelligently viewed and weighed up by the voter, yeah? Not all of us have morbid obsessions with the 'celebrity' aspect of MPs or grow the gambler's thrill of guessing the unguessable, you shallow cunt.

I started following BOS long after Obama had the nomination whereby you contantly insisted the dems would be leading by, like, a billion points if they'd picked Clinton.

You said, when Iemma was leader, that you thought Debnam's resignation killed any chance fat cat had of becoming premier. It was unequivocal.

When I accused you of expecting a Latham win you more or less said "well didn't everyone up until the meltdown"

After his appearance on Qanda you readilly declared Turnbull was meant to be prime minister, it was his destiny and that Rudd was so unlucky to come up against this formidable force of nature so early in his premiership.

And whilst some might be so naive, others are so disenchanted with the two major parties and the fact that people actually vote for them they can not bring themselves to believe important things like policy actually play a role in elections not when there are things like aggressive handshakes and Kerry Anne to worry about.


As for guessing the unguessable, I made no secret of my expectations of Obama/Biden to beat McCain/Palin, Bligh to beat Springborg andKey to beat Clarke so shove that up your backside you puffed up buffoon. You claim to be above the shallow politcking that I engage in and yet I am certain that whilst Bob Carr wiping the floor with John Brogden you thought he was the bees knees. A few years on and no major changes in policy direction you think NSW labor is hopeless, callous and ugly.

 

[Lentern]

Whoosh. Kind of expecting it though, tbh.

I have absolutely no scenario envisaged that could see NSW Labor win the next election, but your eyes have light up, licking you lips like Wylie Coyote and you have completely missed what I have said.

I think the likelihood of the notion that Costello would return from political retirement is as outlandish as saying that NSW Labor will pull victory from the next state election. FFS.

That said, you can never say never. Both to Costello and/or NSW Labor.

No I understood what you said and was merely saying that you are wrong.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

I'd say that actually has bucket loads more chance of happening than the lovely story you mentioned involving Pete.

Definitely.

EDIT: Make no mistake, i'd love to see Costello run the country.

Ew. The same guy who doesn't believe in climate change? The same guy who was the architect of Howard's WorkChoices scheme to strip employee rights? Why?

 

[spiny norman]

Haha you stalking weirdo. I actually rarely frame my political comments in horse-racing terms, you nong. I always said that Clinton should win the nomination, though she was mostly the underdog. I thought NSW Labor would have been better served if Iemma remained premier. I never 'tipped' Latham or Turnbull victories, but i've liked aspects of them both and they both have/had a somewhat reasonable chance of winning.
Some of us think that politics is actually about real things, you know, and the policy of a party is something that can be intelligently viewed and weighed up by the voter, yeah? Not all of us have morbid obsessions with the 'celebrity' aspect of MPs or grow the gambler's thrill of guessing the unguessable, you shallow cunt.

Holy shit, that was the greatest post ever.

 

[Iron]

I started following BOS long after Obama had the nomination whereby you contantly insisted the dems would be leading by, like, a billion points if they'd picked Clinton.

You said, when Iemma was leader, that you thought Debnam's resignation killed any chance fat cat had of becoming premier. It was unequivocal.

When I accused you of expecting a Latham win you more or less said "well didn't everyone up until the meltdown"

After his appearance on Qanda you readilly declared Turnbull was meant to be prime minister, it was his destiny and that Rudd was so unlucky to come up against this formidable force of nature so early in his premiership.

And whilst some might be so naive, others are so disenchanted with the two major parties and the fact that people actually vote for them they can not bring themselves to believe important things like policy actually play a role in elections not when there are things like aggressive handshakes and Kerry Anne to worry about.

I didnt care whether the dems won or lost after Hillary. I wouldnt care at all whether their support was less due to Obama win. For what it's worth, I think it was; they were disasterous circumstances for any republican, let alone an angry near-dead one with a know-nothing side-kick. Obama's margin was modest.

Maybe if Iemma stayed and the GFC hadnt occured, NSW Labor would have a fighting chance. Who knows? You cant apply an off hand observation made back then to all the circumstances and changes of today, dude.

As far as Latham goes, your pet obsession, popular commentary a few weeks before the election had it at a dead heat. A Latham government wasnt as laughable a proposition as it is now, since his meltdown, yeah? (ease the squeeze, btw. I know you like to drop this in as an irrelevant filler)

In my opinion, Turnbull would be a better PM than Rudd. This isnt exactly ground-shaking. But it was Turnbull that I felt sorry for, because knocking off any government in one term is difficult for the greatest of men, let alone one with a destroyed, broke and (until a few days ago) unstable party.

But i'm glad that you admit that your take on politics does not go beyond that of a faggot celebrity magazine vomiter. For me, I care more about the ideas that drive the people, rather than what their exterior happens to look like on any given day. This is why my beliefs can remain unchanged even when they dont 'win' 50%+1 of the grotty public over. You however believe nothing but the gay and irrelevant. Good luck to you.

 

[Lentern]

Ew. The same guy who doesn't believe in climate change? The same guy who was the architect of Howard's WorkChoices scheme to strip employee rights? Why?

Don't forget the thing that really would make or break him, he's got a smirk.

 

[blue_chameleon]

Ew. The same guy who doesn't believe in climate change? The same guy who was the architect of Howard's WorkChoices scheme to strip employee rights? Why?

Because I feel sorry for the poor bugger. Treasurer for 12 years and he never got to touch the seat.

I like his personality.

Is this working? :/

 

[spiny norman]

But i'm glad that you admit that your take on politics does not go beyond that of a faggot celebrity magazine vomiter. For me, I care more about the ideas that drive the people, rather than what their exterior happens to look like on any given day. This is why my beliefs can remain unchanged even when they dont 'win' 50%+1 of the grotty public over. You however believe nothing but the gay and irrelevant. Good luck to you.

Oh my God. I'd say "marry me" but I know how you'd feel about such an immoral proposition.

 

[Lentern]

I didnt care whether the dems won or lost after Hillary. I wouldnt care at all whether their support was less due to Obama win. For what it's worth, I think it was; they were disasterous circumstances for any republican, let alone an angry near-dead one with a know-nothing side-kick.

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Which says buckley's to the power of less about your ability to read an electorate, considering Hilary lost and everything.

Maybe if Iemma stayed and the GFC hadnt occured, NSW Labor would have a fighting chance. Who knows? You cant apply an off hand observation made back then to all the circumstances and changes of today, dude.

Part of, you know, having a clue has to do with anticipating how circumstances will change. It was clear the moment O'farrell became leader that Iemma was a dead man walking.

As far as Latham goes, your pet obsession, popular commentary a few weeks before the election had it at a dead heat. A Latham government wasnt as laughable a proposition as it is now, since his meltdown, yeah? (ease the squeeze, btw. I know you like to drop this in as an irrelevant filler)

Which popular commentary? Kochie and Mel? Alan Jones? My bonehead of an MP Laurrie fuckign Ferguson! The meltdown which is more myth than history had very little if any bearing on the election, he went native because the game was up not the other way round. I was thirteen at the time for christ sake and could see that that loud angry man was going to absolutely polarise the middle ground. Troops home by christmas? Which lemming gave him that idea? Bob Ellis? John Faulkner? Laurrie Ferguson, it was insane! People don't vote for a bloke because he reads to children and makes bets with Chris Taylor!

In my opinion, Turnbull would be a better PM than Rudd. This isnt exactly ground-shaking. But it was Turnbull that I felt sorry for, because knocking off any government in one term is difficult for the greatest of men, let alone one with a destroyed, broke and (until a few days ago) unstable party.

I reject every part of that statement bar the first two sentences. You have on numerous occasions rejected my insistance that timing is an extremely powerful factor in electioneering and i certainly don't accept the idea that the liberal party is defunct. It is called being in opposition.

But i'm glad that you admit that your take on politics does not go beyond that of a faggot celebrity magazine vomiter. For me, I care more about the ideas that drive the people, rather than what their exterior happens to look like on any given day. This is why my beliefs can remain unchanged even when they dont 'win' 50%+1 of the grotty public over. You however believe nothing but the gay and irrelevant. Good luck to you

I said i engage in it you nong, as opposed to you who gets sucked in by it. Do you think I would actually vote for Costello or Smith? Or advocate either of them to keep doing what they are doing? Having cynical view of the Australian electorate does not equate to not caring about anything. I have written dozens of letters to Kevin Andrews, Chris Evans, my bonehead MP and the shadow immigration minister and can be found every thursday playing chess for an hour at Villawood detention centre so don't accuse me of not caring. You on the other hand? What grand platform does Turnbull have that makes you laud him so? He doesn't have one you just got sucked in by a distinguished looking man who is an excellent communicator.

 

[Iron]

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What grand platform does Turnbull have that makes you laud him so? He doesn't have one you just got sucked in by a distinguished looking man who is an excellent communicator.

Not reading or responding to previous bit, other than to say Hillary won and pls pls pls post your illiterate letters to MPs, so that all of bos may glow with joy.

As for Turnbull's 'platform', there isnt one until the election. Other than that, I respect his career and excellent communication is, like, 9/10ths of the job. He personally is the better leader imo. Strong, decisive and brave. I will eagerly vote for him if the policies he takes to the election are persuasive