Bastard homophobes (1 Viewer)

[grag balbrady]

you think they're not hurting you now? wait until you're at the local community debutante ball one night playing tonsel hockey with your highschool sweetheart and one of these devious fellows spikes your lemon spritzer, anally invades you and your girl, steals your liver and infects you with aids

its common sense, people!

 

[MoonlightSonata]

you think they're not hurting you now? wait until you're at the local community debutante ball one night playing tonsel hockey with your highschool sweetheart and one of these devious fellows spikes your lemon spritzer, anally invades you and your girl, steals your liver and infects you with aids

its common sense, people!

I think there is a line between satire and poor-taste which you have crossed.

 

[Estel]

moonlight: I'm not too sure it's satire...
Probably just random posting for the fun of it...

shady: if that was levelled at me, what you said was irrelevant. I certainly don't believe that gays should be shot. Rather, my opinion is: if the gay people were not gay they would not be victims against gays (rather obvious). Also, I feel it's absurd for me to be unable to state that I dislike homosexuality as a movement, at risk of breaking several discrimination laws. Thirdly, I fear that homosexuality as a movement is the new product of latte sippers... think feminism... and after Yr 10 history I cannot forgive minority groups at all....

 

[Abbeygale]

I wonder if the reverse could work, if a woman hit on a gay man whether it would be mitigating circumstances if he off'ed her.

I'd be more interested to know whether a similar defense could be mounted if a man offed an unattractive woman who attempted to hit on him. If a gay man hits on a straight man, couldn't the straight guy just politely decline? Is killing them really necessary?

 

[nick1048]

Evidently, you do not know the justice system.

dont come here to say Australia is a justiced society... Bullcrap... and dont talk in relative terms either... That's why the news is packed with crime, reporters cant get enough...

 

[Generator]

dont come here to say Australia is a justiced society... Bullcrap... and dont talk in relative terms either... That's why the news is packed with crime, reporters cant get enough...

Ah, statistically, crime is down and prison populations are up... Hardly a dangerous society, even though we appear to be forever told that we should be living in fear.

 

[Vahl]

moonlight: I'm not too sure it's satire...
Probably just random posting for the fun of it...

shady: if that was levelled at me, what you said was irrelevant. I certainly don't believe that gays should be shot. Rather, my opinion is: if the gay people were not gay they would not be victims against gays (rather obvious). Also, I feel it's absurd for me to be unable to state that I dislike homosexuality as a movement, at risk of breaking several discrimination laws. Thirdly, I fear that homosexuality as a movement is the new product of latte sippers... think feminism... and after Yr 10 history I cannot forgive minority groups at all....

Please try to remember that gay ppl were slaughtered in the holocaust right along with the Jews. It is understandable that persecuted groups defend every last right they have and endeavor to always unhinge any potential threat before it grows too large.

 

[ur_inner_child]

moonlight: I'm not too sure it's satire...
Probably just random posting for the fun of it...

shady: if that was levelled at me, what you said was irrelevant. I certainly don't believe that gays should be shot. Rather, my opinion is: if the gay people were not gay they would not be victims against gays (rather obvious).

yeah, pretty logical that's it's too logical to point if that makes any sense.

eg:

if i was not asian, they would not be a victim to any anti-asian/racist people

if i didn't get raped, i wouldn't be a rape victim

if i had money, i wouldn't be poor

if i wasn't a woman, i'd have a penis.

(not that all of THAT is true)

Also, I feel it's absurd for me to be unable to state that I dislike homosexuality as a movement, at risk of breaking several discrimination laws. Thirdly, I fear that homosexuality as a movement is the new product of latte sippers... think feminism... and after Yr 10 history I cannot forgive minority groups at all....

I don't wanna really debate, i'm not so much in that mood about discussing rights and what not, but what's with this feminism stuff? I don't understand... Why can't you forgive minority groups, out of curiousity.... I don't get it.

I haven't done Year 10 history since year 10...

 

[Estel]

This idea that minority groups deserve affirmative action, that they deserve special attention and care...

The Australian History syllabus only contains such dull elements because of extreme leftists with the above ideology. This means more important, more meritous material is not taught.
Which means I suffered through Yr 10 History.

And I cannot forgive the minority groups for that.

 

[Vahl]

This idea that minority groups deserve affirmative action, that they deserve special attention and care...

The Australian History syllabus only contains such dull elements because of extreme leftists with the above ideology. This means more important, more meritous material is not taught.
Which means I suffered through Yr 10 History.

What counts as more meritorious material? The doctrine of the far right? Nazi values? The 'heroism' of Emperor Bush.

Minority groups do deserve protection and care as it is through the support and encouragement of acceptance of differences in a positive environment that the rights of the collective can be protected. Eg. It is because of the heroic feminists and gay rights activists that we can all engage in sex without marriage guiltlessly; we can enjoy healthy masterbation sessions, access porn, etc, etc.

 

[malkin86]

Most members of these minorities only want the same opportunities that the rest of us have. Who really begins a movement to better their fellow human beings with the aim of torturing schoolkids?

 

[Vahl]

Most members of these minorities only want the same opportunities that the rest of us have. Who really begins a movement to better their fellow human beings with the aim of torturing schoolkids?

Exactly.

Note the contrast with the efforts of bigoted majorities to limit the rights of minority groups: eg US outlawing gay marriage, refusing to recognise the rights of migrant workers etc.

 

[Estel]

What counts as more meritorious material? The doctrine of the far right? Nazi values? The 'heroism' of Emperor Bush.

Minority groups do deserve protection and care as it is through the support and encouragement of acceptance of differences in a positive environment that the rights of the collective can be protected. Eg. It is because of the heroic feminists and gay rights activists that we can all engage in sex without marriage guiltlessly; we can enjoy healthy masterbation sessions, access porn, etc, etc.

Some of the above I wouldn't view as positive, but I think I'll try and move on...

Meritous material: would you not say that World War I and II had a much larger impact on Australian history than the picket lines of a few feminazis? They have more important lessons to learn and there is much more historiography about them. We are taught to churn out the same lines of oppressed minority groups fighting for rights bravely for social justice... sounds just a tad biased?

And for goodness sake, Aboriginal massacres... we don't even know that they happened! It's studied purely to appease the extreme left. You can't say the same about the holocaust, or (if you want more Australian stuff) the Pacific War.

edit: Vahl3 you seem quite concerned about social justice. Out of curiosity try www.politicalcompass.org... That sort of thing can be quite intriguing.

 

[ur_inner_child]

What counts as more meritorious material? The doctrine of the far right? Nazi values? The 'heroism' of Emperor Bush.

Minority groups do deserve protection and care as it is through the support and encouragement of acceptance of differences in a positive environment that the rights of the collective can be protected. Eg. It is because of the heroic feminists and gay rights activists that we can all engage in sex without marriage guiltlessly; we can enjoy healthy masterbation sessions, access porn, etc, etc.

hahaha

(to add point out more serious issues)

- that i and other women can even structure some sort of sentence, be heard and respected at some degree
- that we can receive an education
- that we can VOTE
- that we can earn money, have a career
- that we can obtain justice against those who treat us unequal or in a sexually abusive way
- that we aren't mere objects...
- that we don't have to fear for our lives

And while making that list I was actually thinking of other parts of the globe as well before you flame at me. And yeah, i AM a feminist, when it comes to what it use to mean - ie - that i believe that men and women are equal. Not the feminazi's people seem to suddenly think of.

When it comes to homosexuals, that list can probably be applied, some of it anyway. And regarding the article, being able to NOT FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES, is just basic. Why shouldn't people speak out if they are getting killed?

 

[Estel]

But why should learning about women's rights improving to the point they can "can even structure some sort of sentence" take precendence over the death and destruction of millions in the last few centuries?

Even worse... the history we learnt was extremely one-dimensional. No room for discussion, no Windschuttle for example. The females suffered stoicly, and they fought bravely, yes they did, and then they eventually got rights.

Yes.

Reminds me much of the "Anzac spirit".

 

[Vahl]

Some of the above I wouldn't view as positive, but I think I'll try and move on...

Meritous material: would you not say that World War I and II had a much larger impact on Australian history than the picket lines of a few feminazis? They have more important lessons to learn and there is much more historiography about them. We are taught to churn out the same lines of oppressed minority groups fighting for rights bravely for social justice... sounds just a tad biased?

And for goodness sake, Aboriginal massacres... we don't even know that they happened! It's studied purely to appease the extreme left. You can't say the same about the holocaust, or (if you want more Australian stuff) the Pacific War.

Certainly there should me a greater emphasis on the world's major conflicts. However the emphasis on minority groups at the present time is essential in reducing racist attitudes within Australian society through encouraging empathy. Much time could be saved through not wasting time on sport etc.

It is the diversity gained through our gloriously polygamous past that has enabled our species to evolve this far. If Australia can take a greater initiative and encourage as much accepted difference as possible within our society then we will be better placed to deal with the challenges of the future and shall ultimately soar ahead of those nations who pursue cruel, irrational and bigoted rascist, homophobic policies.

 

[ur_inner_child]

But why should learning about women's rights improving to the point they can "can even structure some sort of sentence" take precendence over the death and destruction of millions in the last few centuries?

Even worse... the history we learnt was extremely one-dimensional. No room for discussion, no Windschuttle for example. The females suffered stoicly, and they fought bravely, yes they did, and then they eventually got rights.

Yes.

Reminds me much of the "Anzac spirit".

what? you didn't learn anything about the war? you just learnt about the women?

probably true, although you're meant to focus on one particular aspect of the war. Considering, if you had the same education as me, that we learnt about WW1 and WW2 about a million times during high school.

If not, then that sucks.

This whole women's movement thing - well what's with the women dancing pretty much naked on mainstream rap videos, and 50 cent talking about how he'll beat up women in the street in his music? Perhaps we're only using the past to teach children about gender equality? (And if anyone has a waa about how its influencing the suppression of men or whatever, remember that patriarchy is STILL the mainstream. If it wasn't then maybe there is a case.)

You're probably right though about the history thing. I don't think there was much of a choice. We HAD to learn about their suffering. If it were like year 12 where schools/classes were allocated choices (like how we/school choose our books for our area of study etc as well as which journey) then maybe we wouldn't even be having this argument

I think it IS of value that we learn about a pivotal step in history of the rights of women, though....

 

[Vahl]

Even worse... the history we learnt was extremely one-dimensional.

Our (NSW) government tends to keep high school education as secular as possible. Therefore giving all of us the information we need to make decisions in the wider world.

BTW - topics such as WW1 require in depth studies to gain a good understanding of the key issues involved(such as in the Mod Hist course). You would never get this out of generally lazy junior students and as such it would be a waste of time.

 

[Estel]

ur_inner_child:
WWI? We learnt about the steadfast brave Anzac soldiers. Ignore the fact a large chunk of hospital admissions were for STDs.

WWII? Did you know various groups had different attitudes towards it? And women played such a large role on the home front!

I agree that equality for women is important. But we shouldn't paint men = bad, women = good! We shouldn't suggest that minority group history is so important for the world!

I think there's been enough talk on this however, and I'll cool down

vahl3: teaching homosexuality and polygamy in class is just wrong. Period.
Preaching racial tolerance through history is a noble cause, but it falls apart when you see that:
a.) some racial groups ARE hard to tolerate, regardless of what political correctness tells you to say.
b.) teaching about changing rights of migrants and how those poor people used to suffer much, and were all good and all, and now they're all nice in a happy family! isn't going to be conducive to this aim.

edit: Vahl3: teaching polygamy is not secular.
Modern History is different, it is infact enjoyable because it is not about the empowerment of minority groups...
School is not allowing you to develop your own view when you have a bunch of socialist teachers saying HOWARD IS EVIL and THE WAR STINKS and FEMINISTS ARE GOODY GOODIES.

 

[Vahl]

hahaha

(to add point out more serious issues)

- that i and other women can even structure some sort of sentence, be heard and respected at some degree
- that we can receive an education
- that we can VOTE
- that we can earn money, have a career
- that we can obtain justice against those who treat us unequal or in a sexually abusive way
- that we aren't mere objects...
- that we don't have to fear for our lives

And while making that list I was actually thinking of other parts of the globe as well before you flame at me. And yeah, i AM a feminist, when it comes to what it use to mean - ie - that i believe that men and women are equal. Not the feminazi's people seem to suddenly think of.

When it comes to homosexuals, that list can probably be applied, some of it anyway. And regarding the article, being able to NOT FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES, is just basic. Why shouldn't people speak out if they are getting killed?

It is all interrelated. We each depend on one another to maintain our own rights. How can we winge about bullying if we ourselves are bullies.

Our brave Feminist allies are essential to maintaining not just the rights listed by ur_inner_child, but our system of 'democracy' itself. If we should falter but one step then we predispose our self to a greater stumble.

It is through our treatment of minority groups that we can assess how we as a society stand. If we look after them: we're on track. If we persecute them: then no one is safe. Thus resist poor treatment of refugees, criminals, aboriginals, lesbians, gays and clowns