Best game in each genre (2 Viewers)

[badquinton304]

PC? Also BG1 & 2 are ftw?

All PC. Baldur Gate 1 is the original, it has tales of the sword coast as an expansion. BG2:Shadows or Amn is the one I talked of it is the sequel and then there is throne of bhaal which is the last one.
I remember when I was still a primary school I could play that game for 14 hours in a day during the holidays. But you will need more than hours, this game is really long.

 

[Phoenix Fury]

Sounds grand.

 

[shinji]

I put 'sales' and how 'popular' games are because they help to lower the variables, and the chance for bias. I.e. I might think a game is stupid - has poor execution, has terrible graphics and plays like a rusted wheelbarrow - likewise there will be people who think the oppossite, they might like the parts I dislike.

Fair enough point.

What you don't understand is, just because you or I, like a game does not mean it's a fantastic game, due to the fact that it's all based on opinion.

You asked me to back up why i chose it, and i did. what more do you want?

High sales/popularity/critic scores means that the game is like by a big chunk of people, and people do not purchase games which are terrible or mediocre. They purchase it because they like it. Hence, just because YOU, believe Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 2 is crap, does not mean it's a bad game.

No. High Sales and popularity are generally caused by hype and marketing. Critics are just that as well. Critics. They have their OWN point of views. What makes their perspectives better than ours? The fact that they get paid? If not, then hell, I'm a critic when itcomes to games .. does it take into account of my opinion?

Isn't it common sense -> something bad is rejected by society ->dwindles in numbers. You're not telling me millions of people would buy shit games do you?

Utter nonsense. CoD4 WAS a good game. MW2 leeched off its success; combined with marketing, and the hype of the original success, it was a formula for high sales. I did buy CoD 4.5. I was actually excited for it. But come the game ... it was really broken. That's what you don't take into account as i've stated earlier. CONTENT is much more important in deciding the ''best'' game. Sure, there are pros and cons in every game, and until we play ever ygame in existence we can't give a fair and true judgement. But I believe that the best games in each genre do give a unique and memorable experience.

Ever heard the John Donne quote "No man is an island?"
or the infamous saying "A man who is his own lawyer has a fool for his client?"

It means that you can stay couped up in a small balloon, and pick what YOU like, and what YOU want. Only a fool does this, as a man who looks to other sources/factors knows that he can balance his own biased views/subjectivity. I suggest you take a look into von Ranke's work.

First, you condemn me for disagreeing with your "opinion", and tell me to backup my decisions. Now you're saying that you can't form your own opinion. And now you say how about you can't judge due to your own biased views.
Well, you are always going to be biased. How many of those games that you chose don't you like?
I can tell you, that several of the games that I chose weren't my favourite games. Such as Gran Turismo, NBA 2010, Command and Conquer, total war, etc. I have played them, and was quite impressed by them. But I don't even play them as often as other games i play.

Quite ironic, since wasn't your first post aimed at condemning my entire original post?

Quite to the contrary. I wasn't condemning you. I shall quote what i said:
"I totally disagree". To disagree means to not agree based on my own perspecttive.

Do your research before you post. If you're not a survival horror fan, then just say so instead of arguing with people who are.

1- 'Aliens' is sci fi, not "survival horror" - wikipedia it up if you want
2. Just because it has supernatural beings in it does not make it 'survival horror' -it's just assumptions those foreign to the genre make.
3. a true survival horror game will prefer to make the character more of an ordinary joe type of character, and limit the ease of combat - ie. lack of ammo, harder to hit enemies, hence making it a better option to hide, rather than to blow their brains out in 'Aliens...'

Wow ... 1 - I did say it wasn't a survival horror
2- i said it has ELEMENTS of a survival horror
3- i did state that don't play much survival horror .. so i don't knw where your goign with that point.

Excuse me? As a former 1750 rated AOM player, I can tell you that only inexperienced players agree with that statement. For instance, if all my men died, but has wiped out a chunk of your economy - whilst I can replace them quickly, you won the battle, but have weak, low health soldiers, and can't replace them due to a broken economy.

And there you go - violating your own rule on your so called subjectivity to the list. Hwo can you NOT be subjective when you have played it to be at that rank?
I still do believe that TOtal war is a better game in terms of RTS. Because you actually have to act and react and employ different strategies as per what the opponent is doing.
Just look:
YouTube - Empire Total War Online Battle #83: Prussia vs Austria

You keep coming back to the fact that just because YOU like the game, it automatically makes it the best game. Guess what, like I said, only a fool would think like that.

Okay, dude. I stated why I like the game .. I stated VALID reasons as to why that game is a good game. Just because you haven't heard of it, or it's an under the radar game, doesn't mean it's a bad game.

I'll give a good example.
Ever heard a song you liked on the charts, and then was horrified that it didn't reach the Top 10? Or number 1? You know why that is? It's because MORE people think the Number 1 song is 'the best song ever' than you do with your song. You can whinge and cry about how your song is so much better, but it's not going to change anything, and you're leaving yourself blind.

I personally would go, "That's not my kinda song and I think mine is soooooo much better than that piece of crap, but hey, if it's Number 1, it's gotta be good to a lot of people right?"

A bad example. Music and gaming (while both being in the entertainment industry) are far different. Songs - well needless to say they're based off poplarity. They go for what .. 5mins max each song?
Games on the other hand, they go into production for the CONTENT. However, some games do, unfortunately, spend a big proportion on their budget on marketing, and other marketing related activities (ie; infinity ward), leading to increase in sales but leaves a quite unfinished game.

Like I said: so next time, if you plan to argue with someone, back you points up with something more than just your opinions. We're all entitled to it, but when you question someone else's, what makes yours any more valid than theirs?

^ What makes your views eg. that Pokemon is the best game, any more valid that anyone elses?

OMFG. I cannot believe you just said that.
My whole last post WAS FULL. Irepeat. FULL of points backing up my opinions. You just blindly decided to ignore them and continue on with your own blatant posts that are more of an attack on me, rather than saying anything about my opinions.
Oh, and i'm pretty sure according to your way of doing things, Pokemon has greater sales than Dragon Age, therefore is a better game.

 

[Phoenix Fury]

Derp

 

[taintedfeather]

You asked me to back up why i chose it, and i did. what more do you want?

You reprimanded my list base purely on the fact of your own opinion, and your own preference of games. Like I said, how is your list any better than mine or anyone elses for that matter when it's all based on opinion?

No. High Sales and popularity are generally caused by hype and marketing. Critics are just that as well. Critics. They have their OWN point of views. What makes their perspectives better than ours? The fact that they get paid? If not, then hell, I'm a critic when itcomes to games .. does it take into account of my opinion?

You disagree with critics and can hate popular games all you want, but the millions of people who like the game obviously have a different opinion.
Ask yourself this, if this game is shit/mediocre/based on hype, why then does it achieve so much sales, great critic scores, and people enjoy playing it? No-one goes out and buys a shit same so could it be, these people actually LIKE these games? If a game was purely based on hype, and it turns out it was shit, sales would obviously drop.

Oh, and please, even the best marketing schemes won't save a dismal game. For instance, look at Dante's Inferno, one of the most hyped up games EVER, and it turns out to be a God of War clone. And look at the sales - people do not play shit games. Period.

But that's just what I think of Dante's Inferno, there will be people who think the game is the best there ever was, and who am I to say 'no, it's not, this game is' - it's all about a matter of taste.

CONTENT is much more important in deciding the ''best'' game. Sure, there are pros and cons in every game, and until we play ever ygame in existence we can't give a fair and true judgement. But I believe that the best games in each genre do give a unique and memorable experience.

You're judging, quote "CONTENT" from your own personal view - you're not even looking how others viewed it - how is that supposed to make it a "fair" evaluation?

"I totally disagree". To disagree means to not agree based on my own perspecttive.

You condemn every choice I made on the original list - what gives you the right to do that, since all you had to back it up was your own opinion?

Wow ... 1 - I did say it wasn't a survival horror
2- i said it has ELEMENTS of a survival horror
3- i did state that don't play much survival horror .. so i don't knw where your goign with that point.

Oh please, don't attempt to make it sound as they you said "it had some elements" - look at your original post, you said it was much more "survival horror" than Silent Hill 2. No survival horror fan will forgive you for saying that.

And secondly, if you don't play the genre a lot then don't post things you don't understand, as it will make you look like a fool and annoy people who do.

And there you go - violating your own rule on your so called subjectivity to the list. Hwo can you NOT be subjective when you have played it to be at that rank?

And how can you not be subjective when you were bad at the game? Obviously you thought it was shit because you couldn't play it to that level.
And besides if I recall, AOM was a great seller, and yes, even if you say its all about marketing and hype, then explain to me how it's still selling TO THIS DAY, after 8 years?

How is Starcraft, which was overhyped when it first came out, still selling? Could it be people LIKE the game, or ENJOY the game?

So as you can see, sales of a game, and popularity, are indeed intertwined with it beging a good game.

Okay, dude. I stated why I like the game .. I stated VALID reasons as to why that game is a good game. Just because you haven't heard of it, or it's an under the radar game, doesn't mean it's a bad game.

What? I have never once made any comments about the games you like being less popular, and thus being bad. Here's what I said: You keep coming back to the fact that just because YOU like the game, it automatically makes it the best game. Guess what, like I said, only a fool would think like that. So I can say "Nintendogs" is the best game, and if I just say, because I like it, how is that validating it's the "best game?" It might be for you, but certainly not to everyone.

Songs - well needless to say they're based off poplarity.

And yet, songs like "Beat It" and "Total Eclipse of The Heart" are still massive sellers. Why? Beacuse THEY'RE GOOD SONGS. If they can transcend their limitations of context, obviously they have value. Hence, that's why Starcraft and AOM has value, both are old, old games, yet are still raking in sales.

unfortunately, spend a big proportion on their budget on marketing, and other marketing related activities (ie; infinity ward), leading to increase in sales but leaves a quite unfinished game.

Stop blaming marketing and sales as a problem. Like I said, Dante's Inferno had all the best marketing and sales pitch in the world, and why arent a lot of people playing that?

You also give this image of gamers as these 'Lowest Common Denominator' type of people who fall for marketing ploys, and buy games purely because ads tell them to. This is an unfair image, and you can't clump a group of people together, and say games are popular because of sales, and these people who buy them.

They obviously buy them because they keep hearing it's good ala Dragon Age ala Starcraft ala Kotor.

 

[badquinton304]

Critics are just that as well. Critics. They have their OWN point of views. What makes their perspectives better than ours? The fact that they get paid? If not, then hell, I'm a critic when itcomes to games .. does it take into account of my opinion?

Well some crititcs have a far more valid opinion than the average joe simply because they have played most titles and every major title and have played through it well (at least gamespot does). So I certainly hold the opinion of certain selected crititcs higher than the general public, but of course first and foremost ones own opinion on a game is what is most important. Of course realistically the point of view of a well played gamer could be just as valid a point of view as a critic. But I think good critics (real reputable gaming websites and publication that have stringent and crititcal review guidelines in place) point of view will always be more valid than most individuals because firstly critic ont just play games, but they have adopted gaming as a lifestyle and have had a broad experience over many genres, having played through amost every game each year.

Utter nonsense. CoD4 WAS a good game. MW2 leeched off its success; combined with marketing, and the hype of the original success, it was a formula for high sales.

This is true.

ELEMENTS of a survival horror

This is true.

Oh, and please, even the best marketing schemes won't save a dismal game. For instance, look at Dante's Inferno, one of the most hyped up games EVER, and it turns out to be a God of War clone. And look at the sales - people do not play shit games. Period.

A dismal game CAN be saved so long as it is marketed well AND has mass appeal (ie wii sport omg when i wave my arms shit happens), ie a soccer game.

How is Starcraft, which was overhyped when it first came out, still selling? Could it be people LIKE the game, or ENJOY the game?

It was not overhyped, it was hailed as an RTS that was excellent as it could be played by almost anyone but still had an enormous amount of strategy and good scenario content. Thats not overhyped. Dantes infreno was overhyped.

So as you can see, sales of a game, and popularity, are indeed intertwined with it beging a good game.

Generally this is true. But ITT we are separating good games from great games. We are talking about legendary games. Sure MW2 matches CoD4 in popularity but the one that will be talked about for years to come will be cod4 because thats the game that made the leaps and bounds an gave new experiences.



For this list sales and popularity should be mostly irrellevant. It relly comes down to the question of "Would I remember and cherish my experiences with this game in 50 years time and would I still recommend this game in 50 years? (regarrdless of advances in technology or movements in popular culture)"

 

[taintedfeather]

ELEMENTS of a survival horror

Thus, if you acknowledge this, explain how this game can be ranked higher than a game which consist entirely of survival horror, and is the pinnacle of the genre - i.e. Silent Hill 2.

It was not overhyped, it was hailed as an RTS that was excellent as it could be played by almost anyone but still had an enormous amount of strategy and good scenario content. Thats not overhyped. Dantes infreno was overhyped.

No, that's not what I meant. I mean Starcraft at the time it was released, was an anticipated games, loved by critics and reccomended by countless number of people. I'm saying that even though that "hype" or energy has dwindled, it is still present (not to the original extent), and thus still raking in sales

For this list sales and popularity should be mostly irrellevant. It relly comes down to the question of "Would I remember and cherish my experiences with this game in 50 years time and would I still recommend this game in 50 years? (regarrdless of advances in technology or movements in popular culture)"

But having said that, you should be asking yourself, 'is this a truly great game for this genre?' Or perhaps it's just because I like it? That's where these other factors come in. For instance, I had a great time with Kuon, and think it's right up there in the top of its genre, but then when you cross check (just as you would a source) you find that although I might rank the game as being the best, others will say it's the worst.

To agree what is 'best games' you're going to have to find middle/common ground, and not rely on your own opinion 100%. This is similar to all the massive Top 100 Games lists in Magazines as popular games take out the title, even though some may disagree.

For instance, as much as I want Clock Tower 3 to come in the Top 3, I know that's not going to happen, as that's just a personal opinion of the game, and more, countless of other people will agree that there are better games out there, which is why games that are popular make the list.

For example, if I disliked 'Titanic' or 'Avatar', and say it was mediocre/overrated/crap, does that make the film so? Obviously not. And likewise if I said 'Zack and Miri make a porno' is the best film of all time would THAT make it so? No. It's because these are just your own opinion, and like sources, the more that agree, means the more chance the source is good.

I.e. As most people see Starcraft as a great game, it still has not waned. As most people see Dante's Inferno as a bad game, sales have been dismal.

So as you can see, relying on your own opinion does not qualify a game to be "the bets of the genre" you need to cross check.

 

[shinji]

You've gotta get off your high horse, and start seeing things from a different perspective instead of just the one biased point of view.

You reprimanded my list base purely on the fact of your own opinion, and your own preference of games. Like I said, how is your list any better than mine or anyone elses for that matter when it's all based on opinion?

As said: i disagreed with your list. You're making it sound harsher than what I actually said.

You disagree with critics and can hate popular games all you want, but the millions of people who like the game obviously have a different opinion.
Ask yourself this, if this game is shit/mediocre/based on hype, why then does it achieve so much sales, great critic scores, and people enjoy playing it? No-one goes out and buys a shit same so could it be, these people actually LIKE these games? If a game was purely based on hype, and it turns out it was shit, sales would obviously drop.

I don't hate popular games. I never said that. Stop putting words in my mouth. And yes, i do disagree with critics, but that doesn't stop me from 'enjoying' these said popular games. However, that said, sales do NOT indicate the greatest game ever.
However, by your definition though, these games would be the "best game in each genre":

Action-adventure – Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2 – 12 million)[159]
Fighting – Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii – 9.24 million)[70][160]
First-person shooter – Halo 3 (Xbox 360 – 8.1 million)[24]
Music – Guitar Hero II (PS2 – 3.31 million in US)[19]
Party – Wii Play (Wii - 26.71 million)[69]
Platform – Super Mario Bros. (NES – 40.23 million)[41]
Puzzle – Tetris (Game Boy – 35 million)[74]
Racing – Mario Kart Wii (Wii – 21.22 million)[69]
Role-playing – Pokémon Red, Blue, and Green (Game Boy – 20.08 million approximately: 10.23 million in Japan,[46] 9.85 million in US)[19]
Simulation – Nintendogs (DS – 22.27 million)[70]
Sports – Wii Sports (Wii – 60.69 million)[69]
Stealth – Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (PS2 – 7 million)[117]
Survival horror – Resident Evil 2 (PS1 – 4.96 million)[48] (single version)/Resident Evil 5 (PS3/Xbox 360 - 5.3 million)[161] (multiple versions combined)

Agree/disagree?

You're judging, quote "CONTENT" from your own personal view - you're not even looking how others viewed it - how is that supposed to make it a "fair" evaluation?

I judged things as to how things appeared to me. It's much better than judging things based on sales and the like. Also, has badquinton said, I'm judging it rather on the memorable experience that i had wit hthe game ALONGSIDE with the content. Sure, i am biased. But who isn't in this world? I justified my choices so i'm not sure why you're still arguing the point of not backing up my opinion.

You condemn every choice I made on the original list - what gives you the right to do that, since all you had to back it up was your own opinion?

Every choice? Did i remove super mario brothers? Did i flame your post as being idiotic/crap? No. I was just saying what I THOUGHT should have been there instead of your games.

Oh please, don't attempt to make it sound as they you said "it had some elements" - look at your original post, you said it was much more "survival horror" than Silent Hill 2. No survival horror fan will forgive you for saying that.

And secondly, if you don't play the genre a lot then don't post things you don't understand, as it will make you look like a fool and annoy people who do.

Yes Mr. OH MY GOD! THIS GAME HAS XX SALES! IT HAS TO BE THE BEST!!!
Sure, I may have thought it would've FIT into survival horror, andi stand corrected. And as i said in my other post. I haven't played much survival horror games. So i still don't get why you're arguing this point.

And how can you not be subjective when you were bad at the game? Obviously you thought it was shit because you couldn't play it to that level.
And besides if I recall, AOM was a great seller, and yes, even if you say its all about marketing and hype, then explain to me how it's still selling TO THIS DAY, after 8 years?

Well, I was bad at Empire total war, and i still listed that as the best game. Soooo i don't get what you're getting at. And there you go, stating sales again. It's getting redundant/repetitive. Honestly, how about you backup your choices with something OTHER than sales. People may enjoy it, but it may not be the best game.

How is Starcraft, which was overhyped when it first came out, still selling? Could it be people LIKE the game, or ENJOY the game?

So as you can see, sales of a game, and popularity, are indeed intertwined with it beging good game.

Right. So you're saying halo 3 is the best game of the FPS genre? It didn't bring anything new to the slate, or provide an experience that got you playing for hours on end, and wit hthe satisfying feeling when you see the credits screen. That's what being the best in each genre should be about. Not just sales. But hey, if you want to judge it using that criteria, then be my guest.

Quote:Okay, dude. I stated why I like the game .. I stated VALID reasons as to why that game is a good game. Just because you haven't heard of it, or it's an under the radar game, doesn't mean it's a bad game.

What? I have never once made any comments about the games you like being less popular, and thus being bad. Here's what I said: You keep coming back to the fact that just because YOU like the game, it automatically makes it the best game. Guess what, like I said, only a fool would think like that. So I can say "Nintendogs" is the best game, and if I just say, because I like it, how is that validating it's the "best game?" It might be for you, but certainly not to everyone.

Quote:Songs - well needless to say they're based off poplarity.

And yet, songs like "Beat It" and "Total Eclipse of The Heart" are still massive sellers. Why? Beacuse THEY'RE GOOD SONGS. If they can transcend their limitations of context, obviously they have value. Hence, that's why Starcraft and AOM has value, both are old, old games, yet are still raking in sales.

Goods songs, yes they are. But the production value of the music and gaming industry is vastly different. Games are made for years on end. Albums are made within a time frame of around a year or so?

Quote:unfortunately, spend a big proportion on their budget on marketing, and other marketing related activities (ie; infinity ward), leading to increase in sales but leaves a quite unfinished game.

Stop blaming marketing and sales as a problem. Like I said, Dante's Inferno had all the best marketing and sales pitch in the world, and why arent a lot of people playing that?

Dante's Inferno had a demo. That allowed gamers to test the game out before they bought it. Thus, gamers that didn't like it coz it was a "God of war ripoff", then they didn't buy it. Might I also remind you, that there was other big titles released on the same day as Dante's inferno, such as Bioshock 2. Simple. MW2 didn't have a demo. Sure it was a good game, but not worth the $100 or so that i paid.
And note; MW2 had a higher budget on marketing then Dante's Inferno. MW2 -> Total production costs of 40-50million dollars. However, it costed $200 million dollars for otal cost of the game. I wonder where the other 150million (less distribution costs would would be insubstantial compared to the 150million) went to. Maybe marketing?

You also give this image of gamers as these 'Lowest Common Denominator' type of people who fall for marketing ploys, and buy games purely because ads tell them to. This is an unfair image, and you can't clump a group of people together, and say games are popular because of sales, and these people who buy them.

I have no idea what you're trying to say there.


Perhaps you should rename this thread to "Best selling games of each genre"

 

[Absolutezero]

Albums are made within a time frame of around a year or so?

What about GnR's eleven year album Chinese Democracy?

 

[shinji]

What about GnR's eleven year album Chinese Democracy?

haha. generally. =p
There are alwayssome exceptions to the case. Note; i don't have much experience in the music industry, but that is what i've generally witnessed

 

[badquinton304]

No, that's not what I meant. I mean Starcraft at the time it was released, was an anticipated games, loved by critics and reccomended by countless number of people. I'm saying that even though that "hype" or energy has dwindled, it is still present (not to the original extent), and thus still raking in sales

You shouldn't have claimed it was overhyped, the term describes a game that is of a quality poorer than popularity would otherwise convey.

To agree what is 'best games' you're going to have to find middle/common ground, and not rely on your own opinion 100%. This is similar to all the massive Top 100 Games lists in Magazines as popular games take out the title, even though some may disagree.

Any great game mentioned generally gets good sales at the very least. But at this level sales comparisons are pointless, as shinji said when you are looking for the best game in a genre you are looking at the content of a game.

 

[Fightin Streets]

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RPG:
Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn - An excellent game of infinite possibilities, with one of the most rich and epic storylines, which really sucks the player into the world of faerun. Characters are deep (with possibly the best villan of all time) and have complex relationships with other npcs and the pc. Choices made by the player have permanent and influential consequences and as such the storyline is dependant on the player. Gameplay is so flexible and it requires much strategy. No open minded gamer can finish this game, without getting the impression that the team who made this game are passionate about thier work, creative in thier ideas and are focused on the gamer and not sales figures and marketing.
Unfortunately the development team all work for different developers (since black isle studios went belly up) now so the chances of the original development team getting back together to make a real quality rpg are slim. It is ridiculous that gamers these days think that NWN2 and Dragon Age Origins are the epitome of DnD rpg gaming.

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Yes.

 

[tallkid34]

Come on, guys...

The only thing you haven't done yet is compare your Xbox360 gamer points or PS3 trophies?

 

[Phoenix Fury]

hahaha, I'd have to sit out on that one.

~PC 4 lyf~

 

[badquinton304]

Come on, guys...

The only thing you haven't done yet is compare your Xbox360 gamer points or PS3 trophies?

I couldn't care for silly achievement systems. I just enjoy the games.

 

[Phoenix Fury]

Same, is there any point or purpose to them or just to "have moar than the other guy"?

 

[taintedfeather]

You've gotta get off your high horse, and start seeing things from a different perspective instead of just the one biased point of view.

You know what? This is ridiculous and I do not have the time on my hands to keep arguing with you.

I don't understand what you don't get. If you played KOTOR for instance, and thought the 'content' was shit, it does not mean the game itself is shit, as sales replicate that a majority of people find it great.

However, that said, sales do NOT indicate the greatest game ever.

Once again, people do not play shit games, and thus sales help to identify what potential good titles are, as sales tend to lower the variable of subjectivity. For instance, if 10 people played Neverwinter Nights, and 9 thought it was good, and 1 did not, you would assume, form this experiment that it was a good game, as the majority said so. Besides, not even half of my arguments were about sales in the first place, and even then whilst humans can be biased, figures and stats are not.

Sure, i am biased. But who isn't in this world?

Then don't point how how other people's choices in games are bad i.e my original post, especially when you knew nothing of survival horror, because your opinion is worth as much as anyone else's. And the fact that you admit you're biased means you need stats to support what the "best" game is, as the "best" game is not just your "favorite" game, as so you seem to think.

Obviously, there is no 'Absolute' best game. The best game is determined by many millions of people meeting at common ground, and conceding that this game, whilst not all may agree or disagree is the greatest, has aspects that both can concede to, with a majority favoring it - this is what classifies a "best game." For instance, whilst there are people who hate the game, most will concede that it has several merits.

Hence, to work out the "best game" it's not about being a dictator and thrusting your own view and opinions, but comparing with other people's i.e stats.

Yes Mr. OH MY GOD! THIS GAME HAS XX SALES! IT HAS TO BE THE BEST!!!
Sure, I may have thought it would've FIT into survival horror, andi stand corrected. And as i said in my other post. I haven't played much survival horror games. So i still don't get why you're arguing this point.

That is just juvenile. Only idiots who can't talk in a civilized manner resort to childish name calling. I'm arguing it because you claimed Aliens was better than Silent Hill, if you didn't know then don't make such a controversial claim in the first place.

And there you go, stating sales again

The fact that it's still selling indicates that it still has value, and thus is still a good game, and also, what are you complaining about, that was your argument about Starcraft....

Goods songs, yes they are. But the production value of the music and gaming industry is vastly different. Games are made for years on end. Albums are made within a time frame of around a year or so?

Once again, if you don't know, then don't post your assumptions. Songs that have textual integrity or have true resonance, take as long as 8-12 years before they're written completely and pushed out. You realize that general albums are quick due to artists not writing their owns songs right?

Basically this is what you're telling me.

Q: What is the best game?
A:Final Fantasy VI
Q: Why is that?
A: The content is the best.
Q: But millions of people said FFVII is better.
A: It's mediocre
Q: How so?
A: Because I like 6 better.
Q: But if millions of people like 7 better doesn't that mean it's a better game?
A: No, because I like FFVI.
Q: And sales have also shown that FFVII had vast more number of sales
A: I don't care about sales.
Q: But surely it validates a game is a great game by a lot of people.
A: It's content.
Q: Alright, but isn't that just your opinion? What about the opinion of those other million people, don't they matter when you dub a game "the best game?"
A: No.
Q: But that's biased, one sided and not taking heaps of other people into account. It's like dubbing the Liberal party the "best Party of Australia' - it's just one person's view, you haven't looked at anyone else's.
A: I don't care.
Q: But you're disregarding other factors that will help you work out what the best game truly is.
A: I don't care.

If you still don't get it or even attempt to understand my point of view then I'm not going to bother to continue. I seriously can't believe you think that just because YOU think a game is the best, it makes the game the best, and disregard the views of millions of people.

 

[Phoenix Fury]

Wait was this thread asking what is the 'definitive best' (whatever the fuck that is) or what we personally thought was the best?

 

[taintedfeather]

^ We were supposed to work out what we thought, then see what the definitive was at the end. hence:
"BEST GAME IN EACH GENRE" and not "FAVOURITE game in each genre"......

 

[shinji]

FUCK me.. .
You are using the same points OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Let me just be clear.
A) I did NOT say that your list was bad. FFS. Do you read? I said that I DISAGREED with it. IE OPINIONS.
B) You asked for me to backup my list. I did. So what if I used sales? Sales, as i believe, is not determinant on whether it is the best title of the genre.
C) You never replied as to the list i posted with the msot sales as per genre. Stop ignoring each point that I point out in each arguement, and actually analyse the whole argument. You're taking things out of context.

Q: What is the best game?
A:Final Fantasy VI
Q: Why is that?
A: The content is the best.
Q: But millions of people said FFVII is better.
A: It's mediocre
Q: How so?
A: Because I like 6 better.
Q: But if millions of people like 7 better doesn't that mean it's a better game?
A: No, because I like FFVI.
Q: And sales have also shown that FFVII had vast more number of sales
A: I don't care about sales.
Q: But surely it validates a game is a great game by a lot of people.
A: It's content.
Q: Alright, but isn't that just your opinion? What about the opinion of those other million people, don't they matter when you dub a game "the best game?"
A: No.
Q: But that's biased, one sided and not taking heaps of other people into account. It's like dubbing the Liberal party the "best Party of Australia' - it's just one person's view, you haven't looked at anyone else's.
A: I don't care.
Q: But you're disregarding other factors that will help you work out what the best game truly is.
A: I don't care.

Okay, what the FUCK. That isn't an accurate representation of he conversation.
For 1 - I did substantiate what content (and in which context) that I thought that FFVI was betterthan FFVII.
2 - YOU are the primary one who isn't looking at other factors. NOT me. You're the one that's only looking at sales to determine the list. And THAT, is what I disagreed on.
3 - The fact that i DID use the longevity of the game to support my choosing of SC, shows that I'm not looking at the one factor.

Then don't point how how other people's choices in games are bad i.e my original post, especially when you knew nothing of survival horror, because your opinion is worth as much as anyone else's. And the fact that you admit you're biased means you need stats to support what the "best" game is, as the "best" game is not just your "favorite" game, as so you seem to think.

Obviously, there is no 'Absolute' best game. The best game is determined by many millions of people meeting at common ground, and conceding that this game, whilst not all may agree or disagree is the greatest, has aspects that both can concede to, with a majority favoring it - this is what classifies a "best game." For instance, whilst there are people who hate the game, most will concede that it has several merits.

Hence, to work out the "best game" it's not about being a dictator and thrusting your own view and opinions, but comparing with other people's i.e stats.

As said - SALES DO NOT REPRESENT THE BEST GAME FOR THAT GENRE. Can you get that into your brain now?

I'm seriously losing patience.
You are just arguing the one perspective of sales indicating people playing a good game (no shit sherlock) and that substantiates it for being the best game of that genre. News flash, do you think that Wii sport is the best game of it's genre? No? well it has great Sales to support it!


And seriously, sales do NOT indicate everything.
People return games, especially in EB. sales do not take into account the fact that people return games because they didn't like it. (sure it may get sold again as preowned .. but majority of sales are from people buying new copies).


Finally - reply if you have an arguement that ISN'T based on sales. Have you ever heard of vagrant story? I forgot about that little gem. It wasn't one of my favourite games, but it is agreat game. Does it have sales to back it up? I don't think so. But the musical score, storyline and the actual character development is on par, if not, greater than FFVII.