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Your thoughts on what mark H said?How about you don't talk about things you don't know about?
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Your thoughts on what mark H said?How about you don't talk about things you don't know about?
languages are scarcely bludgey compared to international feminist studies or w/eIn Arts, I think Sydney outranks most other universities in NSW (except ANU, if you classify that as 'NSW').
Let's face it - it's an Arts degree. Practicality varies from person to person, and from discipline to discipline. It's not as if we're talking about law, or media/journalism here, where practicality is an integral issue. My belief regarding Arts is that your degree is as practical as you make it. If you want a bludgy time, choose Ancient Sanskrit or something - you'll get through university easily, however, it's not going to be practical. If you want to study politics/political economy/sociology/economics whatever - it will benefit you.
A lot of Sydney's advantage is out of the classroom as well - involvement in societies, and the opportunities to get involved in internships. That's not to say that other universities don't have such programs. But, to say that UNSW/USyd's programs are impractical is a load of bullshit, coming from someone who clearly does not know what he is saying.
depends, things arent always black and whiteif u can get the marks for arts/law at sydney even if travel is a hassle i dont know why you wouldnt take that up :3
to be honest, usyd law has been relying on its prestige and history for while now and not actually delivering anything new. The faculty has been cutting costs, increasing class sizes and the restructure of the law subjects from 8 credit points to 6 credit points (in line with usyd policy a couple of years ago), has created some odd combinations of subjects and structure (eg. a torts course, a contracts course, and then a 'torts and contracts II' course that has the ends of both courses). Some subjects were also not really cut down, and as a result of that (and the competitive nature of law students), many students in 4th year law only do three subjects a semester (like when it was 8 credit points) rather than 4 - basically because the work load is seen to be too much (of course, there is also the added addition that many students start working a couple of days a week in law firms etc and that also impacts).if u can get the marks for arts/law at sydney even if travel is a hassle i dont know why you wouldnt take that up :3 anywho macq isnt too bad, law is shifty sometimes in regards to the structure of some units other than that its not too bad
There's your problemShort of going to Canberra
I appreciate your position however my choice will depend. I may go to MAQ. And also who knows I may do something post-grad at Canberra. I really dunno. But MAQ politics looks awesome. Even if I dont get the ATAR for arts/law at MAQ I'm now tempted to go there for their arts degree. I will note however that MAQ has postgrad politics and I'm yet to see a uni that has the same.There's your problem
As far as Sydney unis go, I'd say USyd for anything Arts/Law, definitely.
the converse is true for me. MAQ is closer than USYD, and I like the look of arts at MAQ better than USYD. Law (apart from USYD having more modern facilities) seems about the same. So at the moment I'm leaning towards MAQ.but my main reasons for going to usyd in the first place was a) I wanted to do ancient history and b) usyd was my closest university to home. My other main choice for uni was for MQ, but in the end I decided it was too far too travel.![]()
Just being facetiousI appreciate your position however my choice will depend.
Hmm? Pretty sure every major uni has postgrad politics...I will note however that MAQ has postgrad politics and I'm yet to see a uni that has the same.
If you got the 99.something required for USYD you would still choose MAQ then?the converse is true for me. MAQ is closer than USYD, and I like the look of arts at MAQ better than USYD. Law (apart from USYD having more modern facilities) seems about the same. So at the moment I'm leaning towards MAQ.
So you get 1 hour tutorials for law? What about for arts? Do you think this is enough?Unfortunately, I only joined the university this year so I can't comment on how it was before. But I have heard that a lot of people are disappointed. But in my honest opinion, now that I think about it, I think it might just be a teething issue. The quality of the degree hasn't changed, I mean we're still learning the same content etc... And the workload is still very much the same (from what I can see), it's just that the face-to-face time has been reduced substantially, namely in tutorials. Lectures are still the standard 2 hours.
Nice. Are the mentor students paid?To counter this issue, they've introduced PAL (Peer-assisted-learning) which is actually a phenomenal program whereby previous year students "mentor" current students. It works exceptionally well and from what I know most people who attend receive marks within the vicinity of Distinctions and HDs. It is a more "intimate" style of learning and you learn off each other which is fantastic because its a collaborative environment.
Mooting ftw.Aside from this, the Law Society (MULS) is unbelievably good. They are super active, they constantly have events running, law balls, inter-varsity social events, sporting events the works. And if you want to be a little bit more challenged and want to advance your skills a bit there is always mooting and advocacy competitions you can sign up for.
I've seen it and it looked pretty ordinary. Is the quality of law at MAQ something that irritates you or is it good enough for you not to go into picky details apart from on sites like this?So overall, compared to other universities yes, the Macquarie School of Law is probably super underfunded (so much so that it is not a subsidiary of the Faculty of Arts). The Faculty building is a joke, there's no dedicated law library and it all looks kind of George Orwell 1984-ish. BUT it is what you make of it.
just for interest sake to compare at usyd, contact hours are four hours per week per subject, for 10 weeks (so 40 hours per law subject per semester). What those hours include depends on the subject.Anyway, from what I've heard/read/been told. The Macquarie law faculty has indeed had some issues in recent years. A majority of this is attributed to a single factor which affected the university as a whole from last year. Basically what they did was reduce the number of credit points per subject from 4 to 3, the result of which was reduced contact time (so tutorials are now 1 hour instead of 2).
So what's the difference in contact hours between MAQ and SYD per law subject?just for interest sake to compare at usyd, contact hours are four hours per week per subject, for 10 weeks (so 40 hours per law subject per semester). What those hours include depends on the subject.
Some are a two hour lecture and a two hour tutorial, but most are two, two hour seminars (50-70 people in a seminar) - these seminars can have some class interaction, but depending on the lecturer and the course material, it can generally just be the same as if you were in a lecture theatre with 250 people.
Arts is pretty much the same, I haven't sat a tutorial at Macquarie university in any of my class (arts/law) that is more than one hour.So you get 1 hour tutorials for law? What about for arts? Do you think this is enough?
No they're not paid, but it looks incredible on their CVs and also I believe you need to have done quite well in order to be a mentor for a particular subject. It also helps them rehash what they've learnt so they don't forget/become slack.Nice. Are the mentor students paid?
Yeah we're pretty active in that regard, lots and lots of mooting we're also participants of the international jessup (look it up).Mooting ftw.
To be honest, I don't have anything tangible to compare it to. I haven't studied law at any of the other universities, I know people who study law at UWS and at UTS and I also know someone who studies at UNSW.I've seen it and it looked pretty ordinary. Is the quality of law at MAQ something that irritates you or is it good enough for you not to go into picky details apart from on sites like this?
For every 3 Credit Point subject you have a 1 hour lecture and 2 hour tutorial or vice versa. Usually its an hour tutorial and 2 hour lecture. Some classes have introduced a new type of seminar system in conjunction with tutorials and lectures. You can decide which you want to attend.So what's the difference in contact hours between MAQ and SYD per law subject?
To be honest, I would try pretty hard to not let the transport thing get in the way. I realise it can be very frustrating and annoying to have to trek it out all the way to the City every other day. But the way I see it is short-term loss, long term gain.One of the problems I have with USYD is the travel fatigue I get when getting there and back. With Macquarie I can tell the difference (travel to MAQ can be about half an hour faster than USYD).
Imo MAQ has better scholarships for accommodation then USYD so if that happens then its obvious what I'll do. However its really competitive and what frustrates me is a lot of the really good scholarships are being turned into 'indigenous-only' scholarships. I really find that dispicable but anyway.... Assuming I'm where I am next near MAQ is the better option transport-wise which does make a difference.