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If yucca mountain was a completely finished facility today, at the planned capacity of 77000 tons, it would be completely filled immediately, with zero capacity for future waste.
 

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No debt problem amirite. That's our current account balance.
 

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If yucca mountain was a completely finished facility today, at the planned capacity of 77000 tons, it would be completely filled immediately, with zero capacity for future waste.
Yeah because nuclear waste isn't going anywhere amirite.

fuck it shoot the shit in space.
 

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There was a question about how pensioners need to go to the doctor 100 to 150 times a year, so the gp co-payment is unaffordable.
If you're on the age pension, you get a low income health concession card capped at 10 visits a year.

Fuck people are dumb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_debt

Thank's labour, went from $50 billion in debt to $300 billion. Ruddkips saved Australia from GFC my ass.
 

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Thank's labour, went from $50 billion in debt to $300 billion. Ruddkips saved Australia from GFC my ass.
dont you know that this is low compared to other countries though

clearly theres no way australia could ever end up like those countries

i mean ignore the fact that that people have been extremely upset over very modest cuts at this spending level, when debt-dependent spending is even higher they will be extremely accommodating of the much more severe cuts necessary to turn things around
 

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Australia has low debt to gdp ratio compared to oecd average

People say this as though the OECD average is a reasonable standard of debt management to make comparisons to.
 

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If you're on the age pension, you get a low income health concession card capped at 10 visits a year.

Fuck people are dumb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_debt

Thank's labour, went from $50 billion in debt to $300 billion. Ruddkips saved Australia from GFC my ass.
My grandma is over 80, and still living in her own home, type 2 diabetes mellitus, obesity, osteoarthritis, literally dying of cancer, untold additional conditions unknown to me.

She doesn't even go to the doctor 11 times a year.
 

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Australia has low debt to gdp ratio compared to oecd average

People say this as though the OECD average is a reasonable standard of debt management to make comparisons to.
"Japan's doing fine!"
-Lost decade
-dying industries
-aging population
-negative birthrate
-MORE DEBT TO GDP THAN ZIMBABWE LAWL

Yeah, they're doing fine alright.

"America's Doing fine! they have more debt than we do!"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-24343698

lawl.

People forget OECD also includes shitholes like mexico. Not to mention the goddamn bailout packages Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece had to take out because they were in so goddamn much debt.

I love hypotheticals about the GP fee lol
 

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how exactly would we transport nuclear waste to the red centre of australia. And what happens when it bioconcentrates in the wildlife there?

Also currently the japanese nuclear reactor is spewing radioactivity into the ocean and nobody seems to care.
 

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"Japan's doing fine!"
-Lost decade
-dying industries
-aging population
-negative birthrate
-MORE DEBT TO GDP THAN ZIMBABWE LAWL

Yeah, they're doing fine alright.

"America's Doing fine! they have more debt than we do!"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-24343698

lawl.

People forget OECD also includes shitholes like mexico. Not to mention the goddamn bailout packages Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece had to take out because they were in so goddamn much debt.

I love hypotheticals about the GP fee lol
The heavy lifting in the budget is actually being borne by the average people while we reduce taxes like the carbon tax - which is actually a good thing as it allocates capital towards the new industries - those that addresss the problems the old ones like mining are creating for the world.
 

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It doesn’t take an accident for a nuclear power plant to release radioactivity into our air, water and soil. All it takes is the plant’s everyday routine operation, and federal regulations permit these radioactive releases.
Radioactivity is measured in "curies." A large medical center, with as many as 1000 laboratories in which radioactive materials are used, may have a combined inventory of only about two curies. In contrast, an average operating nuclear power reactor will have approximately 16 billion curies in its reactor core. This is the equivalent long-lived radioactivity of at least 1,000 Hiroshima bombs.
A reactor’s fuel rods, pipes, tanks and valves can leak. Mechanical failure and human error can also cause leaks. As a nuclear plant ages, so does its equipment - and leaks generally increase.
Some contaminated water is intentionally removed from the reactor vessel to reduce the amount of the radioactive and corrosive chemicals that damage valves and pipes. The water is filtered and then either recycled back into the cooling system or released into the environment
A typical 1000-megawatt pressurized-water reactor (with a cooling tower) takes in 20,000 gallons of river, lake or ocean water per minute for cooling, circulates it through a 50-mile maze of pipes, returns 5,000 gallons per minute to the same body of water, and releases the remainder to the atmosphere as vapor. A 1000-megawatt reactor without a cooling tower takes in even more water--as much as one-half million gallons per minute. The discharge water is contaminated with radioactive elements in amounts that are not precisely known or knowable, but are biologically active.
Some radioactive fission gases, stripped from the reactor cooling water, are contained in decay tanks for days before being released into the atmosphere through filtered rooftop vents. Some gases leak into the power plant buildings’ interiors and are released during periodic "purges" and "ventings." These airborne gases contaminate not only the air, but also soil and water.
Radioactive releases from a nuclear power reactor’s routine operation often are not fully detected or reported. Accidental releases may not be completely verified or documented.
Accurate, economically-feasible filtering and monitoring technologies do not exist for some of the major reactor by-products, such as radioactive hydrogen (tritium) and noble gases, such as krypton and xenon. Some liquids and gases are retained in tanks so that the shorter-lived radioactive materials can break down before the batch is released to the environment.
Government regulations allow radioactive water to be released to the environment containing "permissible" levels of contamination. Permissible does not mean safe. Detectors at reactors are set to allow contaminated water to be released, unfiltered, if below "permissible" legal levels.
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission relies upon self-reporting and computer modeling from reactor operators to track radioactive releases and their projected dispersion. A significant portion of the environmental monitoring data is extrapolated – virtual, not real.
Accurate accounting of all radioactive wastes released to the air, water and soil from the entire reactor fuel production system is simply not available. The system includes uranium mines and mills, chemical conversion, enrichment and fuel fabrication plants, nuclear power reactors, and radioactive waste storage pools, casks, and trenches.
Increasing economic pressures to reduce costs, due to the deregulation of the electric power industry, could further reduce the already unreliable monitoring and reporting of radioactive releases. Deferred maintenance can increase the radioactivity released - and the risks.
Many of the reactor’s radioactive by-products continue giving off radioactive particles and rays for enormously long periods – described in terms of "half-lives." A radioactive material gives off hazardous radiation for at least ten half-lives. One of the radioactive isotopes of iodine (iodine- 129) has a half-life of 16 million years; technetium-99 = 211,000 years; and plutonium-239 = 24,000 years. Xenon-135, a noble gas, decays into cesium-135, an isotope with a 2.3 million-year half-life.
It is scientifically established that low-level radiation damages tissues, cells, DNA and other vital molecules – causing programmed cell death (apoptosis), genetic mutations, cancers, leukemia, birth defects, and reproductive, immune and endocrine system disorders.
 

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1. It doesn’t take an accident for a nuclear power plant to release radioactivity into our air, water and soil. All it takes is the plant’s everyday routine operation, and federal regulations permit these radioactive releases.
2. Radioactivity is measured in "curies." A large medical center, with as many as 1000 laboratories in which radioactive materials are used, may have a combined inventory of only about two curies. In contrast, an average operating nuclear power reactor will have approximately 16 billion curies in its reactor core. This is the equivalent long-lived radioactivity of at least 1,000 Hiroshima bombs.
3. A reactor’s fuel rods, pipes, tanks and valves can leak. Mechanical failure and human error can also cause leaks. As a nuclear plant ages, so does its equipment - and leaks generally increase.
4. Some contaminated water is intentionally removed from the reactor vessel to reduce the amount of the radioactive and corrosive chemicals that damage valves and pipes. The water is filtered and then either recycled back into the cooling system or released into the environment
5. A typical 1000-megawatt pressurized-water reactor (with a cooling tower) takes in 20,000 gallons of river, lake or ocean water per minute for cooling, circulates it through a 50-mile maze of pipes, returns 5,000 gallons per minute to the same body of water, and releases the remainder to the atmosphere as vapor. A 1000-megawatt reactor without a cooling tower takes in even more water--as much as one-half million gallons per minute. The discharge water is contaminated with radioactive elements in amounts that are not precisely known or knowable, but are biologically active.
6. Some radioactive fission gases, stripped from the reactor cooling water, are contained in decay tanks for days before being released into the atmosphere through filtered rooftop vents. Some gases leak into the power plant buildings’ interiors and are released during periodic "purges" and "ventings." These airborne gases contaminate not only the air, but also soil and water.
7. Radioactive releases from a nuclear power reactor’s routine operation often are not fully detected or reported. Accidental releases may not be completely verified or documented.
8. Accurate, economically-feasible filtering and monitoring technologies do not exist for some of the major reactor by-products, such as radioactive hydrogen (tritium) and noble gases, such as krypton and xenon. Some liquids and gases are retained in tanks so that the shorter-lived radioactive materials can break down before the batch is released to the environment.
9. Government regulations allow radioactive water to be released to the environment containing "permissible" levels of contamination. Permissible does not mean safe.Detectors at reactors are set to allow contaminated water to be released, unfiltered, if below "permissible" legal levels.
10. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission relies upon self-reporting and computer modeling from reactor operators to track radioactive releases and their projected dispersion. A significant portion of the environmental monitoring data is extrapolated – virtual, not real.
11. Accurate accounting of all radioactive wastes released to the air, water and soil from the entire reactor fuel production system is simply not available. The system includes uranium mines and mills, chemical conversion, enrichment and fuel fabrication plants, nuclear power reactors, and radioactive waste storage pools, casks, and trenches.
12. Increasing economic pressures to reduce costs, due to the deregulation of the electric power industry, could further reduce the already unreliable monitoring and reporting of radioactive releases. Deferred maintenance can increase the radioactivity released - and the risks.
13. Many of the reactor’s radioactive by-products continue giving off radioactive particles and rays for enormously long periods – described in terms of "half-lives." A radioactive material gives off hazardous radiation for at least ten half-lives. One of the radioactive isotopes of iodine (iodine- 129) has a half-life of 16 million years; technetium-99 = 211,000 years; and plutonium-239 = 24,000 years. Xenon-135, a noble gas, decays into cesium-135, an isotope with a 2.3 million-year half-life.
14. It is scientifically established that low-level radiation damages tissues, cells, DNA and other vital molecules – causing programmed cell death (apoptosis), genetic mutations, cancers, leukemia, birth defects, and reproductive, immune and endocrine system disorders.
 

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Australia has low debt to gdp ratio compared to oecd average

People say this as though the OECD average is a reasonable standard of debt management to make comparisons to.
no

its more like

our cost for borrowing money is much higher than those people, and for the US especially its essentially free.
 

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the whole thing about joe hockey is that he screws over the middle class and justifies it by saying the absolute most unfortunate people (not most australians) will be taken care of.

Those pensioners are SO greedy!
 

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how exactly would we transport nuclear waste to the red centre of australia. And what happens when it bioconcentrates in the wildlife there?

Also currently the japanese nuclear reactor is spewing radioactivity into the ocean and nobody seems to care.
1. How do you think we transport anything to the middle of the desert? Ever heard of trains and long trucks? You know why you put it in the middle of the desert? BECAUSE THERE'S NO WATER OR WILDLIFE THERE. You pick a spot where it's inhabitable and bam you're good to go.

2. Yeah because it's not like the japanese government and military poured resources into trying to fix the problem right? People do care about the issue and how dare you insult the people who have been actively working on fixing the Fukushima disaster.

Remember this dumbass picture


Yeah so the entire westcoast of the US has radiation poisoning and some dude is covering it up. Right.

no

its more like

our cost for borrowing money is much higher than those people, and for the US especially its essentially free.
Anna: Yeah because it's not like almost all those OECD countries almost defaulted on their debts right? Only Japan and the US have lower borrowing cost. Do you really want us to compare with a country that has 100%+ (USA) GDP debt and the other with 200%+ (Japan). Don't be an idiot. If you heart problems, do you just take pills and call it a day or would you elect to go to surgery?

The heavy lifting in the budget is actually being borne by the average people while we reduce taxes like the carbon tax - which is actually a good thing as it allocates capital towards the new industries - those that addresss the problems the old ones like mining are creating for the world.
Top. Lel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_pricing_in_Australia#Industry_Assistance_Programs

Yeah all those mining companies paying their fair share. Oh wait no they get free carbon credits yay!

the whole thing about joe hockey is that he screws over the middle class and justifies it by saying the absolute most unfortunate people (not most australians) will be taken care of.

Those pensioners are SO greedy!
If you're middle class, you won't even qualify for an age pension. Middle class isn't middle income. Middle class means you're so rich to the point your money makes money.

How's this for fun fact on Australia's welfare system, I drive a $40k Audi A4, have 200k in the bank and yet I still somehow qualify for youth allowance. Thanks for middle class welfare Australia. If you think there aren't people like me you must have your head stuck up your arse.

I still lol @ the question by the private school girl how uni fees "effect her" Lol paying 20k+ a year in a private school yet can't pay 9k a year in uni fees. Hah.

Edit: On the pension have a look at this

http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/enablers/assets

Under the current system you can have a 30 million dollar house as your "primary" residence and not be counted towards your assets test. Why the fuck should the government subsidize someone's lifestyle choices. And why does a couple who has 1 mil+ still need government support?
 
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If you're middle class, you won't even qualify for an age pension. Middle class isn't middle income. Middle class means you're so rich to the point your money makes money.

How's this for fun fact on Australia's welfare system, I drive a $40k Audi A4, have 200k in the bank and yet I still somehow qualify for youth allowance. Thanks for middle class welfare Australia. If you think there aren't people like me you must have your head stuck up your arse.

I still lol @ the question by the private school girl how uni fees "effect her" Lol paying 20k+ a year in a private school yet can't pay 9k a year in uni fees. Hah.

Edit: On the pension have a look at this

http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/enablers/assets

Under the current system you can have a 30 million dollar house as your "primary" residence and not be counted towards your assets test. Why the fuck should the government subsidize someone's lifestyle choices. And why does a couple who has 1 mil+ still need government support?
Yeah I agree 100%, but they're not the changes senor Hockey is making.

He didn't really do anything major to address poor targeting of welfare, but made some changes that will significantly impact the poor. With the paid parental leave scheme, on balance the budget has really gone the other way, entrenching what you're raging against

isildur said:
If you heart problems, do you just take pills and call it a day or would you elect to go to surgery?
On the basis of current evidence, I'd probably elect for thrombolysis via tenecteplase over coronary angioplasty or coronary bypass grafting.
 

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