Capitalism or Communism? (2 Viewers)

[Nebuchanezzar]

Of course it's fucking cheaper! THAT IS THE POINT.

Exactly. Go capitalism! Hoorah!

 

[ccc123]

I am not basing my argument on that show. I just wanted to bring it "closer to home". And it was not intended for you either.
Drop out of uni and follow in the footsteps of your idol, Bill Gates.


You're right. And it's a shame. It is an ideal. And I'm all for it.

But see, even if your argument is that its a great ideal that can't be implemented successfully, I would still maintain that communism is fundamentally flawed as a theory. You can't have equality. You can't have egalitarianism. Its not feasible. Where is the incentive to do anything if everyone is 'equal'?

 

[bassistx]

You are the biggest fucking idiot to talk shit on these forums in a long time. Congratulations.

You're praising a guy who dropped out and you're saying you're working your ass off. Don't you think that's unfair?

Oh Jeez. So your basing your utopian/idealistic argument on some shitty channel 10 reality TV show on 10 yr olds deciding between pizza and microwaves?

If you bothered to scroll up and actually follow the discussion, you would see that I am not basing my argument on that television show. But if kids can do it, what's wrong with adults?

Yeah? That's still bullshit.

Source?

 

[boris]

Exactly. Go capitalism! Hoorah!

Do you know what a lot of self made millionaires/billionaires have in common?

BSc/BA degrees. I'm serious.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

But see, even if your argument is that its a great ideal that can't be implemented successfully, I would still maintain that communism is fundamentally flawed as a theory. You can't have equality. You can't have egalitarianism. Its not feasible. Where is the incentive to do anything if everyone is 'equal'?

I would still maintain that capitalism is fundamentally flawed as a theory. It's not feasible in terms of bringing about the best for the human race as a whole (which is what I would imagine everyone wants, rather than just what's best for the minority). Evidence: Africa and Asia.

Do you know what a lot of self made millionaires/billionaires have in common?

BSc/BA degrees. I'm serious.

Do you know that a lot of communists have the name 'Boris'?

 

[bassistx]

But see, even if your argument is that its a great ideal that can't be implemented successfully, I would still maintain that communism is fundamentally flawed as a theory. You can't have equality. You can't have egalitarianism. Its not feasible. Where is the incentive to do anything if everyone is 'equal'?

So, let me get this straight... If everybody was 'equal', you would not work or go to school or do anything at all? People build societies just because. The hunger for power comes later. Don't tell me you're running for PM.



I was not talking about cutting costs, I was referring to exploitation, poor working conditions, and how weak the worker is.

 

[boris]

You're praising a guy who dropped out and you're saying you're working your ass off. Don't you think that's unfair?

No? Why is it unfair?
He dropped out of college and spent years as a povo guy who was brilliant enough to revolutionise information technology. Who said going to college was a prerequisit for wealth?

Source?

Me being infinitely smarter than you.

 

[bassistx]

I would still maintain that capitalism is fundamentally flawed as a theory. It's not feasible in terms of bringing about the best for the human race as a whole (which is what I would imagine everyone wants, rather than just what's best for the minority). Evidence: Africa and Asia.



Do you know that a lot of communists have the name 'Boris'?

They reject your (our) theory.

 

[boris]

They reject your (our) theory.

It's not your theory.
You're regurgitating a load of shit from a tried and failed ideology. If you want to take credit for that go ahead.

 

[ccc123]

Bassistx:


Ok. A few things.

*Why this disparaging tone with Bill Gates? Why are you defining 'hard work' in terms of traditional education?

*You have to accept that greed is intrinsic to the human condition. We're not robots. It's only natural for individuals to put their own interests before what's in the interest of "the greater good." Communism has not, and will not work in practice. Nations that have tried have ended up degenerating into regimes just as corrupt as the systems they sought to replace.

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

So, let me get this straight... If everybody was 'equal', you would not work or go to school or do anything at all? People build societies just because. The hunger for power comes later. Don't tell me you're running for PM.



I was not talking about cutting costs, I was referring to exploitation, poor working conditions, and how weak the worker is.

If everyone was given equal opportunities and material things, why would you work? You'll get given this stuff anyway. You don't need to work for it. If people don't work, no money is generated to run the economy. You can't run a government on ideals alone.

Anyway. Neb, you're a smart guy. Don't tell me you think that people with a lot of money didn't work for it at some stage. That defies logic.

 

[bassistx]

It's not your theory.
You're regurgitating a load of shit from a tried and failed ideology. If you want to take credit for that go ahead.

........I was not taking credit for it.
Credit: 95% Marx, 5% Engels

*Why this disparaging tone with Bill Gates? Why are you defining 'hard work' in terms of traditional education?

*You have to accept that greed is intrinsic to the human condition. We're not robots. It's only natural for individuals to put their own interests before what's in the interest of "the greater good." Communism has not, and will not work in practice. Nations that have tried have ended up degenerating into regimes just as corrupt as the systems they sought to replace.

*Wtf? Were you not following boris?

*Greater good, greater good!

 

[boris]

Bassistx, google Value Theory.

This is why communism will never work. Hedonism, intuitionism. People will decide for themselves what they value. Pleasure, happiness, satisfaction; moral truths are known simply by intuition.

My value system tells me that money is good. Who are you to tell me this is wrong?

 

[bassistx]

If everyone was given equal opportunities and material things, why would you work? You'll get given this stuff anyway. You don't need to work for it. If people don't work, no money is generated to run the economy. You can't run a government on ideals alone.

Anyway. Neb, you're a smart guy. Don't tell me you think that people with a lot of money didn't work for it at some stage. That defies logic.

You don't get material things for free ffs. You get free healthcare and education.
Death to private schools and health insurance.

 

[ccc123]

So, let me get this straight... If everybody was 'equal', you would not work or go to school or do anything at all? .

Pretty much no. Why work if your going to be treated the same as someone who doesn't work?

People build societies just because. The hunger for power comes later. Don't tell me you're running for PM .

What's your point here?

 

[boris]

........I was not taking credit for it.
Credit: 95% Marx, 5% Engels



*Wtf? Were you not following boris?

*Greater good, greater good!

He was following me. You obviously were not.

You've been spouting on about how nobody has the same education and this isn't fair. I was pointing out that education is not a prerequisit for wealth.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

You can't even quote properly you dumb bitch. Go back to stealing moneys off poor people, you murderer.

Shame!
Shame!
Shame!

What do we want?
Howard out!
When do we want it?
Now!

Money for health and education,
Not for war and occupation!

*shudders* Those chants even make me cringe. Filthy socialist scum.

You have to accept that greed is intrinsic to the human condition.

Evidence plz.

It's only natural for individuals to put their own interests before what's in the interest of "the greater good."

Certainly, but most people are also rational and fair, I believe. If the world was exposed to them I reckon that a great deal of people might be more willing to move the balance in the opposite direction. Well, most people doesn't include the BoS capatilist scum krew, but you get my point. :rofl:

Anyway. Neb, you're a smart guy. Don't tell me you think that people with a lot of money didn't work for it at some stage. That defies logic.

I'm not working in absolutes. I didn't say they didn't work at all, but I have a hard time beleiving that Mr. Rich of Macquarie Bank works a great deal harder in his board room than ol Joe Smith down in the foundry. There's a lousy difference between work and income in our beloved capatilist society, AND I FOR ONE AM ANGRY ABOUT IT! RAWR!

 

[bassistx]

Bassistx, google Value Theory.

This is why communism will never work. Hedonism, intuitionism. People will decide for themselves what they value. Pleasure, happiness, satisfaction; moral truths are known simply by intuition.

My value system tells me that money is good. Who are you to tell me this is wrong?

So you aren't satisfied with free services? My, did I miss something?

->Refer to making money and earning money.

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

You don't get material things for free ffs. You get free healthcare and education.
Death to private schools and health insurance.

Yes, but. If everyone is going to be treated the same regardless of whether they work or not, there's no incentive for you to work. I'm going to get my free healthcare and education and housing and whatever else anyway, so if I don't want to work, why should I?

Now refer to my point about needing money to run an economy. Which you wouldn't have if people stopped working.

 

[boris]

You don't get material things for free ffs. You get free healthcare and education.
Death to private schools and health insurance.

Why? If my parents can afford to send me to a private school, why shouldn't they have the option to?