Coronavirus/Covid-19 Discussion Thread (2 Viewers)

[Great Southern Land]

imagine being lectured on tv every day about personal health by obese police commissioners who look like chief wiggum from simpsons

and a red-skinned, doom-saying health minister.

 

[Etho_x]

Don’t know if this is the kind of comment to put here but anyone get the feeling Kerry Chant is actually a bloke? I mean the jaw line and the very faded moustache is a bit revealing… wouldn’t be too sure though.

 

[enoilgam]

imagine being lectured on tv every day about personal health by obese police commissioners who look like chief wiggum from simpsons

I hate the lecturing, like these morons screwed up by letting an unvaccinated limo driver pick up high risk travellers and now they are lecturing us about doing the right thing. They should be coming to us on their hands and knees begging for us to forgive them for a screwup that has cost us epically. I also think that whilst we are in lockdown, they shouldnt be paid. Im not one of those "Politicians/Bureaucrats are overpaid", in fact the opposite I dont think they are paid well at all. But in this case they should be taking a hit, it's only fair when their screwup is the cause of this issue.

In terms of vaccines, Im getting mine done and Ive encouraged lots of people to do so. However I strongly suspect we wont get our freedom back - there will be another excuse as to why we cant. If that does happen, it will be a disaster as it will fundamentally undermine people's trust in the system and vaccines (handing anti-vaxxers a wholly undeserved victory).

I think there has to come a point as a country where we have a frank conversation about what will actually happen when we open up - people will die and fill ICUs in higher numbers, but unfortunately staying locked up long term will cause far worse damage.

 

[BLIT2014]

I can attest to being a bit hesitant to get it immediately after it came out. I'm a big advocate of science and I trust the scientific process more than any other process, but even I haven't gotten the vaccine yet. Though I will quite soon.

Are you getting AZ?

 

[Drdusk]

Are you getting AZ?

Nope Pfizer as soon as possible really. Some of my friends have gotten it already, and only one of them got AZ.

 

[brent012]

Nope Pfizer as soon as possible really. Some of my friends have gotten it already, and only one of them got AZ.

Pfizer for the majority of people aged between 18-29 is like 6+ weeks off at the current rate. Bookings for 30-39 is meant to be opening up at the end of the month.

I also wouldn't be surprised if 18-29 get access to Moderna instead at that point given that Pfizer is the only approved vaccine for under 18s.

 

[Drdusk]

Pfizer for the majority of people aged between 18-29 is like 6+ weeks off at the current rate. Bookings for 30-39 is meant to be opening up at the end of the month.

I also wouldn't be surprised if 18-29 get access to Moderna instead at that point given that Pfizer is the only approved vaccine for under 18s.

Yeah I hear Moderna is an MRNA vaccine like pfizer, and that they're quite similar.

 

[dighead]

I hate the lecturing, like these morons screwed up by letting an unvaccinated limo driver pick up high risk travellers and now they are lecturing us about doing the right thing. They should be coming to us on their hands and knees begging for us to forgive them for a screwup that has cost us epically. I also think that whilst we are in lockdown, they shouldnt be paid. Im not one of those "Politicians/Bureaucrats are overpaid", in fact the opposite I dont think they are paid well at all. But in this case they should be taking a hit, it's only fair when their screwup is the cause of this issue.

In terms of vaccines, Im getting mine done and Ive encouraged lots of people to do so. However I strongly suspect we wont get our freedom back - there will be another excuse as to why we cant. If that does happen, it will be a disaster as it will fundamentally undermine people's trust in the system and vaccines (handing anti-vaxxers a wholly undeserved victory).

I think there has to come a point as a country where we have a frank conversation about what will actually happen when we open up - people will die and fill ICUs in higher numbers, but unfortunately staying locked up long term will cause far worse damage.

It's fair to blame the start of the outbreak on the gov, I don't think anyone disagrees with that. But for the current situation, the continual spread of the virus is mostly due to idiots being stupid. E.g. this lad: Police charge Sydney man who sparked COVID-19 lockdown in Byron Bay - ABC News. Not to mention the lockdown protestors.

 

[brent012]

Yeah I hear Moderna is an MRNA vaccine like pfizer, and that they're very similar.

Yeah, they are both mRNA vaccines. I believe Moderna has a much higher dosage of vaccine though (100mcg vs 30mcg), so more people report side effects but it might have a higher efficacy.

Note that "side effects" is generally feeling lethargic or sore, nothing too bad usually.

 

[BLIT2014]

It sounds like you are going down the path of insanity.

Anyway, what is everybody's opinion on HSC students having to get the jab if they live in a LGA?

Pfizer for the majority of people aged between 18-29 is like 6+ weeks off at the current rate. Bookings for 30-39 is meant to be opening up at the end of the month.



I also wouldn't be surprised if 18-29 get access to Moderna instead at that point given that Pfizer is the only approved vaccine for under 18s.

I've heard some parents have already booked their under 18s in for late September/early October in the hope they'd be eligible by then.

Moderna is pretty good, so wouldn't mind that if that was the option given to us.

 

[BLIT2014]

The side effects generally vary quite a bit depending on each person. For AZ vaccine, people most commonly get knocked out for a few days after the first dose, and were fine for the second. For Pfizer, it's the other way around. A lot of my friends who got Pfizer got knocked out for a few days after the second dose - they were feverish and completely bed-ridden, etc.

I had my second shot of Pfizer 2 weeks ago, and didn't have any side effects for either dose, so it really depends.

Have to say the people who I've spoken to, the under 30s seem to have a worse profile in terms of reactions to the jabs.

Especially after the AZ shot.

Over 50s seemed fine with either shot with minimal side effects.

 

[BLIT2014]

Potentially controversial thought.

Does seem like the majority of complications for AZ seem to be for females.

Should we be having 40s to 60s men group getting AZ, whilst offering Pfizer for women only in this age group? Unless medical reasons apply.

 

[Great Southern Land]

I've heard some parents have already booked their under 18s in for late September/early October in the hope they'd be eligible by then.

Moderna is pretty good, so wouldn't mind that if that was the option given to us.

I'm thinking of getting Novavax when it comes out. It seems like a good vaccine and is made the traditional way. I haven't heard much about Moderna but I think it is coming to Australia soon.

 

[BLIT2014]

5km radius for all Sydney for exercise purposes.

Fines increased to $5k.

 

[brent012]

I'm thinking of getting Novavax when it comes out. It seems like a good vaccine and is made the traditional way. I haven't heard much about Moderna but I think it is coming to Australia soon.

FWIW, Novavax isn't expected to arrive until next year, long after the state government hopes to reduce restrictions.

That's also not factoring in booking delays, the 3 week gap and that it takes time after being vaccinated for the vaccines to become effective.

 

[DarkOperator618]

5km radius for all Sydney for exercise purposes.

Fines increased to $5k.

online grad here i come

 

[Great Southern Land]

FWIW, Novavax isn't expected to arrive until next year, long after the state government hopes to reduce restrictions.

That's also not factoring in booking delays, the 3 week gap and that it takes time after being vaccinated for the vaccines to become effective.

That's a shame...

 

[Drdusk]

Potentially controversial thought.

Does seem like the majority of complications for AZ seem to be for females.

Should we be having 40s to 60s men group getting AZ, whilst offering Pfizer for women only in this age group? Unless medical reasons apply.

Yes if there’s research done to find out why this is the case, and if the difference is big or small. It could also be that more females have gotten the vaccine than males, and iirc this is the case at least in the US by a pretty decent margin.

 

[BLIT2014]

Yes if there’s research done to find out why this is the case, and if the difference is big or small. It could also be that more females have gotten the vaccine than males, and iirc this is the case at least in the US by a pretty decent margin.

Still looking for a reliable source for the breakdown on more serious side effect by sex/and age

COVID-19 vaccination statistics

See our collections of data on Australia’s COVID-19 vaccination program.

www.health.gov.au

There is a graph called "Doses by age and sex", and it seems at least in Australia the groups that initially had AZ, had a similar take uptake.

Although not peer-reviewed or scientific, middle-aged men reporting a greater willingness in Australia to take up AZ (the Guardian and possibly the SMH?) survey so potentially had a greater uptake of the AZ.

 

[BLIT2014]

Yes if there’s research done to find out why this is the case, and if the difference is big or small. It could also be that more females have gotten the vaccine than males, and iirc this is the case at least in the US by a pretty decent margin.

This article by the Royal College of Australian General Practitioners

1. "nearly half of the TTS cases in women have required treatment in intensive care, while four of the five TTS deaths have been female"
2. Additionally, cases meeting the criteria for Tier 1, as defined by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) were also twice as likely to occur in women compared to men.

newsGP - Two more deaths linked to AstraZeneca vaccine

There have now been six Australian deaths related to the AstraZeneca vaccine, out of more than 6.1 million administered doses.

www1.racgp.org.au

Still looking for a reliable source for the breakdown on more serious side effect by sex/and age

COVID-19 vaccination statistics

See our collections of data on Australia’s COVID-19 vaccination program.

www.health.gov.au

There is a graph called "Doses by age and sex", and it seems at least in Australia the groups that initially had AZ, had a similar take uptake.

Although not peer-reviewed or scientific, middle-aged men reporting a greater willingness in Australia to take up AZ (the Guardian and possibly the SMH?) survey so potentially had a greater uptake of the AZ.

This article by the Royal College of Australian General Practitioners seems to point that at least the TTS side effects seems to be more common, and serious in women.

1. "nearly half of the TTS cases in women have required treatment in intensive care, while four of the five TTS deaths have been female"
2. Additionally, cases meeting the criteria for Tier 1, as defined by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) were also twice as likely to occur in women compared to men.

newsGP - Two more deaths linked to AstraZeneca vaccine

There have now been six Australian deaths related to the AstraZeneca vaccine, out of more than 6.1 million administered doses.

www1.racgp.org.au

A lot of countries don't do AZ for under 50s/or even 60s, so who knows if there is data that we can use to clearly see the effects.