Degree In Medical Science (1 Viewer)

[Analeighh92]

Say you want to become a GP (General Practitioner)
What are the steps involved into becoming one?

Bachelor of Medical Science
2008 UAI - 91.00
Get a UAI >91
Pass UMAT
An interview with University authorities
One/ two years of general science
3rd year into Major (eg. GP)
Pass the test, get your degree
Sit for GAMSAT
Get a Job

Is that right?

 

[AnandDNA]

is there a particular site which lists this??

 

[spence]

Med Science doesn't let you become a GP. It just lets you do science in the medical field, and doesn't require UMAT, interview or GAMSAT. You need to do a MBBS then specialise

 

[Graney]

You need to do medicine not med science. If you want to get into medicine, you're as well off starting with a straight b.sci as you are doing med sci.

 

[Maleeha.k]

Hi there,
Check this website. This has information for all university med interviews, a discussion on GAMSAT and everything else you need to know about med, dent.
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Cheers

 

[ssglain]

Say you want to become a GP (General Practitioner)
What are the steps involved into becoming one?

Bachelor of Medical Science
2008 UAI - 91.00
Get a UAI >91
Pass UMAT
An interview with University authorities
One/ two years of general science
3rd year into Major (eg. GP)
Pass the test, get your degree
Sit for GAMSAT
Get a Job

Is that right?

To become a GP you need:
1. MBBS (Bachelor of Medicine/Bachelor of Surgery)

There are three main entry streams into MBBS:
- Undergraduate MBBS program <-- requires UAI + UMAT
- Graduate MBBS program <-- requires GPA (grade point average) in previously earned bachelor degree (in any field) + GAMSAT + interview
- Combined MBBS program <-- requires UAI. USYD offers combos with B Arts, B Business, B Economics, B Med Sci, B Music, B Sc (Adv). At the moment the structure of the program doesn't allow a student to begin the MBBS component until 4th year. However, the faculty is considering a smoother and gradual insertion of MBBS into the first bachelor degree.
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2. prevocational and vocational training from the RACGP (Royal Aust College of General Practitioners).

The same applies to all medical specialties: MBBS + training at the specialist college.

 

[nottellingu]

To become a GP you need:

1. MBBS (Bachelor of Medicine/Bachelor of Surgery)

There are three main entry streams into MBBS:
- Undergraduate MBBS program <-- requires UAI + UMAT
- Graduate MBBS program <-- requires GPA (grade point average) in previously earned bachelor degree (in any field) + GAMSAT + interview
- Combined MBBS program <-- requires UAI. USYD offers combos with B Arts, B Business, B Economics, B Med Sci, B Music, B Sc (Adv). At the moment the structure of the program doesn't allow a student to begin the MBBS component until 4th year. However, the faculty is considering a smoother and gradual insertion of MBBS into the first bachelor degree.

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2. prevocational and vocational training from the RACGP (Royal Aust College of General Practitioners).

The same applies to all medical specialties: MBBS + training at the specialist college.

You can also get in as a non-standard applicant by completing an year of ANY degree and getting a decent umat score. usually 50/50 uai/gpa

 

[nottellingu]

To become a GP you need:

1. MBBS (Bachelor of Medicine/Bachelor of Surgery)

There are three main entry streams into MBBS:
- Undergraduate MBBS program <-- requires UAI + UMAT
- Graduate MBBS program <-- requires GPA (grade point average) in previously earned bachelor degree (in any field) + GAMSAT + interview
- Combined MBBS program <-- requires UAI. USYD offers combos with B Arts, B Business, B Economics, B Med Sci, B Music, B Sc (Adv). At the moment the structure of the program doesn't allow a student to begin the MBBS component until 4th year. However, the faculty is considering a smoother and gradual insertion of MBBS into the first bachelor degree.

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2. prevocational and vocational training from the RACGP (Royal Aust College of General Practitioners).

The same applies to all medical specialties: MBBS + training at the specialist college.

SSglain a question just popped into my head...how is it that graduate medicine is only 4 years in most cases ? How do they fit everything in ?
I mean you could have an arts or law undergrad degree prior to entering medicine.

 

[ssglain]

You can also get in as a non-standard applicant by completing an year of ANY degree and getting a decent umat score. usually 50/50 uai/gpa

Good point - there's that, too.

SSglain a question just popped into my head...how is it that graduate medicine is only 4 years in most cases ? How do they fit everything in ?
I mean you could have an arts or law undergrad degree prior to entering medicine.

I don't know the answer to that one - that's a really good question. I'm definitely going to ask at the next combined med pathways committee meeting.

My general feeling is that after graduating from a bachelor of X degree, the students are much more mature both academically and mentally so that they can handle a more densely packed course and also don't need to be taught how to deal with the transition from high school to uni. In an attempt to find an analogy, consider this - with the study/time management skills that you have now (which allowed you to achieve such an excellent UAI!) you could learn all the content of 4 years of junior high school in a year or two tops, don't you feel? I think it's kind of like that - not quite the same because of course, you've already learnt much harder maths/english/science/etc in the HSC. But even if you were to take up a completely new thing, you would be much quicker at learning it now than you would've done a few years ago. I think one of the most important thing that we learn as we mature is how to learn more efficiently.

Anyway. Babble babble.

 

[Wooz]

SSglain a question just popped into my head...how is it that graduate medicine is only 4 years in most cases ? How do they fit everything in ?
I mean you could have an arts or law undergrad degree prior to entering medicine.

Basic science, anatomy and physiology is also examined in the GAMSAT so students are expected to already have the science knowledge required.

The semesters are also different for med schools they typically start a month earlier compared to the rest of the university and they finish in early december instead of in november.

Graduate medicine also has more mature students who have demonstrated the aptituide and maturity required through the grueling and challenging 5 hour gamsat exam.

 

[SuperRen]

If someone gets into the combined MBBS program, they don't have to do either GAMSAT or UMAT? Their grading is based solely on their UAI and their future GPA counts for nothing? Basically once they're in, they're in, no matter what.

 

[Wooz]

If someone gets into the combined MBBS program, they don't have to do either GAMSAT or UMAT? Their grading is based solely on their UAI and their future GPA counts for nothing? Basically once they're in, they're in, no matter what.

Pretty much, they just have to maintain a GPA of 5 or 5.5+. Except at ANU were you must sit gamsat even with a provisional offer, but gain the bare minimum in each section.

UQ, U.Melb, Usyd and ANU have provisional entry schemes.

 

[ssglain]

That's true - I've always had a little worry about that. For the non-science combined med degrees at USYD (arts, music, bussiness, economics), you must complete junior biology or molecular biology/genetics and junior chemistry. I'm planning to do statistics, IT and medicinal chemistry whilst most of my friends in science/med are doing physiology, anatomy, pharmacology + elective next year and will go on to major in a medical science. I do wonder if everyone in the combined med program is adequately prepared compared to the people who studied hard to achieve high GAMSAT marks to get into graduate med. They keep telling us that nothing is assumed knowledge because the graduate program accepts people from diverse backgrounds but I'm not completely convinced.

I've been on the combined med pathways committee at USYD for a year and we've held student focus groups to discuss the structure of the program because a lot of people, like me, don't feel that it is actually "combined". They're working on gradually introducing the MBBS components into the undergrad degree from 1st year rather than starting in 4th year so that the whole program is more like the way combined law is structured.

 

[piitb]

Say you want to become a GP (General Practitioner)
What are the steps involved into becoming one?

Bachelor of Medical Science
2008 UAI - 91.00
Get a UAI >91
Pass UMAT
An interview with University authorities
One/ two years of general science
3rd year into Major (eg. GP)
Pass the test, get your degree
Sit for GAMSAT

compete against applicants such as ssglain for one of the handfull of positions available, and you got no fucken chance

go to centerlink

Is that right?

yep that sounds about right

 

[ssglain]

Hahahaha but I don't want to be a GP.

 

[101roses]

ssglain -

"They're working on gradually introducing the MBBS components into the undergrad degree from 1st year rather than starting in 4th year so that the whole program is more like the way combined law is structured"



Would this be implemented from 2009 onwards?

If you were to make a choice between UNSW and USYD now, which one would you prefer?

I have found your posts most useful. Thanks heaps.

 

[Wooz]

Hahahaha but I don't want to be a GP.

You should work as an epidemiologist, that way you can crunch numbers and still sorta have a love of medicine while your at it. If that fails you workas a health administrator and play scrouge.

 

[ssglain]

Would this be implemented from 2009 onwards?

It's looking like it's going to be WAY down the track. It took them almost 2 years to get approval for the economics or business/MBBS combinations. Changing the course structure is going to take a lot of work but the majority of the current students think that a structure like combined law is the best, where you only do one or two law subject per year for the first few years and then gradually add more law until you finish whatever LLB is combined with and then just do law. I'm really looking forward to them actually getting it together. It's definitely in the best interest of the students.

If you were to make a choice between UNSW and USYD now, which one would you prefer?

Hahaha I've been asked that question so many times - it's in the USYD '09 scholarship booklet, if you've seen it.

The main reason that I chose combined med at USYD over undergrad med at UNSW is that I love maths and chemistry and I want to pursue these interests together with medicine. I'm planning a statistics/medicinal chemistry double major and an IT minor in the B Sc (Adv) degree which I'm combining with medicine. I would never be able to do any of these things at UNSW. I'm particularly interested in academia/research and I know that there are some world leading research groups in areas of my interest at USYD, say, health informatics or medicinal chemistry. That definitely affected my decision because I know I will be able to easily gain experience in these fields by doing research projects supervised by these world-class experts. This may or may not apply to you but it's very important to me.

My decision was also re-enforced by the fact that the UNSW Scientia scholarship is awarded to everyone who got over 99.90 EXCEPT only 2 are awarded in medicine at the dean's discretion. From USYD I will receive a $10000/yr scholarship for the duration of my combined degree. And a nice surprise was that besides the university-wide scholarships, each faculty also has hundreds of less publicised ones. I found out that I was awarded one by the school of chemistry worth $1000 for 3 years for achieving the highest HSC chemistry mark in 2007. So that definitely was a nice bonus.

If you need to make this decision, you really need to consider all the aspects which are important to you.

I have found your posts most useful. Thanks heaps.

You're welcome. I've received a lot of help from this community when I was facing similar dilemmas or had questions which can't be answered during open days so it's a pleasure to be able to help out.

You should work as an epidemiologist, that way you can crunch numbers and still sorta have a love of medicine while your at it. If that fails you workas a health administrator and play scrouge.

LOL! Like Cuddy? :uhhuh:

 

[101roses]

^^

Thanks very much

 

[Wooz]

LOL! Like Cuddy? :uhhuh:

She's not that bad, I was thinking more of All Saints, etc and real life admin in the NSW Health Dept, cutting $630 million from surgery and emergency departments.