beentherdunthat said:
Islams believe jesus is a prophet. =]
but jesus DID exist. just not as a god, or a trinity, or a son of god... ( just religion don't attack me)
Jesus will return and set this battle straight, once and for all anyway. We will know. Or our future generations will know. I'll leave a letter with 'I told you so' on my grave. ;P
I know what muslims believe, my point is to inasero that muslims don't believe jesus ever claimed to be god. For the point of discussion here, here is a basic internet post by a muslim defending why they don't believe jesus ever claimed to be god:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080402191022AAp2Gb3&show=7
inasero said:
The Bible never made claims that "disconfirming" evidence is there to "trick" us, only that confirming evidence had been provided in abundance in times past and would no longer be provided not because there wasn't any, but because people wouldn't believe it anyway (I mean being resurrected after three days, c'mon)
Er it'd be hard to just say 'c'mon' if there was real solid evidence... that's an absolutely terrible argument.
inasero said:
and it would contravene God's requirement that we come to Him by faith.
so then they DIDN'T give confirming evidence in times past? I mean... it's either:
a) God gave confirming evidence in the past and this is ok.
b) God gave confirming evidence and this contravenes his requirement that people come to him by faith.
c) God didn't give confirming evidence in the past.
Might be some others, idk.
want2bdifferent said:
what evidence is there that the bible is wrong?
Depends how vaguely you want to interpret different sections etc, but to me there appears to be much wrong... at the very least there is no more 'right' in the bible than there is in the koran, or perhaps even the works of nostradamus.
If you can explain to me the method by which you would disprove either the koran/nostradamus/etc that would not disprove the bible then perhaps I could explain to you why your method is wrong (if it is) or how it also disproves the bible equally well (obviously there'll always be some argument to come back at me with, but I put it to you that the merit of such an argument will be a priori equal to that which I could come up with in defense of the koran/nostrodamus) etc.
The important thing we need to establish here is the logical framework (the heuristic) there are logical frameworks which will allow the bible to 'not be wrong', however I've found these will also equally apply to many other possible claims/religious texts etc.
Sorry if that sounded like a personal attack. I probably should have said 'the author should learn...'
