Well I will happily use God as a word to describe the unexplainable phenomenon of the Big Bang. So does Stephen Hawking and he is a genius. I also believe in a predetermined destiny because science relies on cause and effect. Therefore choice cannot possibly exist. This is considering that we are essentially made of atoms which have no control over themselves.want2bdifferent said:
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Its not that hard to understand. For billions of years the universe has been operating without choice. A rock essentially has no choice. Ill agree that a human chooses to do something, eg like use a blue pen instead of a red pen, but that choice was always going to happen based on the laws of science. Do you see where i am coming from?^CoSMic DoRiS^^ said:
I do, but if you could explain to me how my choice to use a blue pen over a red one was always going to happen based on the laws of science? Pretty sure I can choose to use a blue pen because I feel like it, not because I was destined to do so because of how science works...?Mojohi said:
Thought so, but I don't agree that the choices I make in everyday life, e.g. picking up a pen, are necessarily determined by a combination of cause and effect events. I just happen to like blue.Enteebee said:
scientific determinism is looking ill-founded.. at least until there's better evidence for perhaps a hidden-variables theory of QM, however even with a 'random' unified theory you're still left with 'random' choice. Your choices basically are determined, though we as humans construct artificial limits on what the nature of 'self'/'free agency' are.^CoSMic DoRiS^^ said:
There's no evidence to suggest god exists. That doesn't mean I'm ruling out the possibility.want2bdifferent said:
I agree with the general idea but I'm not sure that you can conclusively prove that I only like blue because of my chemical composition. I like red just as much if not more, so how come I chose the blue pen despite my chemical makeup/hormones etc leading me to prefer red?Mojohi said:
and why don't i believe in pixies?Enteebee said:
