Doing the sums - does a private education add up? (2 Viewers)

[Lolsmith]

I have my resentment for private education because I hate the way they try to suppress your identity for the sake of a collective school image

can't believe I missed this

you're a socialist and you get upset about subverting the individual for the sake of the group?

do you even have a brain?

 

[Annihilist]

You want to outlaw freedom of association and religion

You are indistinguishable from Stalin

Not at all, you missed my point again.

I do hate religion for my own personal reasons, yes. I think it's stupid and ignorant and what have you. But I don't believe in outlawing freedom of religion.

Freedom to make personal choices, stupid or not, is one of the fundamental core principles that I value highly. People can believe in whatever they want. But religion, in my opinion, has no place in an academic and educational context. Outside of school, people can believe in whatever religion they want. I can't do anything to stop them.

That being said, I think you are right in a sense. I personally feel that a society that feels it is okay to send children to private religious schools where they teach you all that evangelical orthodox religious bullshit morality and stuff like that is a sad sad society. I hate how religion does that and I hate how people feed this system by sending their kids to religious schools.

But that's my opinion and I have no right to force other people to my beliefs. So you have a point. Having said that, I still believe that schools should not preach religion to their students. That is my main problem. I still hate religion and I still hate how fucking stupid it is, and I hate how people think it is okay to scare children into believing it, by manipulating education systems and curriculums within private schools. I think it is absolutely criminal.

But again, that is my opinion. Do I have a right to enforce that on society, simply based on my personal beliefs and values? Obviously not. Are my views right? Definitely not. They are merely a point of view.

So am I really indistinguishable from Stalin?

 

[soloooooo]

china is way overcrowded and suffering poverty, anyway the whole ideal you are promoting shits in the face of people escaping those kinds of situations.

So you want Australia to become "way overcrowded and suffering poverty"?

 

[soloooooo]

so what you're saying is that you DO have a problem with asians in that they would have a bad influence on your children?

Australian Asian, No. In International Asians, possibly yes.

 

[theycallmebob]

can't believe I missed this

you're a socialist and you get upset about subverting the individual for the sake of the group?

do you even have a brain?

so you should sacrifice your identity for "the group"?

 

[theycallmebob]

Australian Asian, No. In International Asians, possibly yes.

as lolsmith said, how did they become this breed you call "australian asian"? where did they come from?

 

[Annihilist]

can't believe I missed this

you're a socialist and you get upset about subverting the individual for the sake of the group?

do you even have a brain?

Fuck. Fuck. FUCK.

Do you know anything about socialism?

Socialism is primarily about economics and distribution of wealth. So is communism. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOCIAL VALUES OR INDIVIDUAL HUMAN RIGHTS.

I am in favour of economic collectivism. That is socialism. And so is communism.

Do I believe in suppressing individual social human rights to exist as an individual human being? No, I do not. Do I believe in conforming to a particular standard? No I do not.

Do I believe in welfare, assisting the poor, spreading wealth etc? Yes, I do. They are independent of each other.

so you should sacrifice your identity for "the group"?

Here's the word I was looking for: Identity. I believe in freedom to be your own person and have your own identity.

That is not anti socialism.

 

[theycallmebob]

So you want Australia to become "way overcrowded and suffering poverty"?

you are twisting my words. i was giving you a scenario. I was saying what would you do in their shoes.

obviously.

 

[Ivorytw]

What I am saying is that Australian born Chinese who hold Australian values are great. We don't need international Chinese so much though.

Where do you think the Australian born Chinese's parents came from?

 

[Ivorytw]

lol I forgot the Aboriginals were hanging out with the australian born chinese long before we whiteys came along.

 

[theycallmebob]

also how are asians in any way causing us economic hardship? they're smart cookies

 

[Annihilist]

also how are asians in any way causing us economic hardship? they're smart cookies

"DEY TOOK ER JEBS"

 

[Lolsmith]

Not at all, you missed my point again.

I do hate religion for my own personal reasons, yes. I think it's stupid and ignorant and what have you. But I don't believe in outlawing freedom of religion.

Freedom to make personal choices, stupid or not, is one of the fundamental core principles that I value highly. People can believe in whatever they want. But religion, in my opinion, has no place in an academic and educational context. Outside of school, people can believe in whatever religion they want. I can't do anything to stop them.

That being said, I think you are right in a sense. I personally feel that a society that feels it is okay to send children to private religious schools where they teach you all that evangelical orthodox religious bullshit morality and stuff like that is a sad sad society. I hate how religion does that and I hate how people feed this system by sending their kids to religious schools.

But that's my opinion and I have no right to force other people to my beliefs. So you have a point. Having said that, I still believe that schools should not preach religion to their students. That is my main problem. I still hate religion and I still hate how fucking stupid it is, and I hate how people think it is okay to scare children into believing it, by manipulating education systems and curriculums within private schools. I think it is absolutely criminal.

But again, that is my opinion. Do I have a right to enforce that on society, simply based on my personal beliefs and values? Obviously not. Are my views right? Definitely not. They are merely a point of view.

So am I really indistinguishable from Stalin?

You said before you wanted religious schools outlawed, I'm sure you did. If you had means to remove religious schools, you would do so. If you mention that public schools have no business teaching students religion, then you'd be correct. Private institutions however have every right to do what they want as long as it doesn't infringe on the liberty of others and in this case, a child's parent(s) act on their behalf to determine what is best for them.

so you should sacrifice your identity for "the group"?

What I was trying to point out is that socialism is about the "greater community". People are but blocks in the construction of a greater society, their import is non-existent, yet (s?)he complains about lacking individuality in the same type of scenario.

 

[Lolsmith]

Fuck. Fuck. FUCK.

Do you know anything about socialism?

Socialism is primarily about economics and distribution of wealth. So is communism. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOCIAL VALUES OR INDIVIDUAL HUMAN RIGHTS.

I am in favour of economic collectivism. That is socialism. And so is communism.

Do I believe in suppressing individual social human rights to exist as an individual human being? No, I do not. Do I believe in conforming to a particular standard? No I do not.

Do I believe in welfare, assisting the poor, spreading wealth etc? Yes, I do. They are independent of each other.


Here's the word I was looking for: Identity. I believe in freedom to be your own person and have your own identity.

That is not anti socialism.

yes it is

You subvert an individual if you deny him the right to his own hard work. You say to him, with a gun to his head and your hand in his pocket, "do as you're told because others need this more than you do". When you steal from someone for the sense of a "greater good" you are saying their own worth is less than some vague and unattainable ideal. This is nothing but abrogation of the individual in servitude for something he does not wish to comply with. How can you state otherwise?

"Okay you can like what you want, but you have to have the job we tell you to have, buy the food we want you to buy, comply with only what we want you to and give the majority of what you put effort into to those who don't put effort into anything. You're still an individual though!11!."

 

[Annihilist]

You said before you wanted religious schools outlawed, I'm sure you did. If you had means to remove religious schools, you would do so. If you mention that public schools have no business teaching students religion, then you'd be correct. Private institutions however have every right to do what they want as long as it doesn't infringe on the liberty of others and in this case, a child's parent(s) act on their behalf to determine what is best for them.

Eh, your last point doesn't strike well with me, for unrelated reasons.

I did say before I would like to see religious schools outlawed. However, I don't believe that my opinion is the right opinion, merely that it is my opinion.

I think that religious schools are a disgraceful abuse of the naivety of children. They disguise indoctrination of children into religion as an educational institution. Preaching religious evangelicalism can ruin people's childhood and in some cases their lives.

It's not religion itself. It's religious schools. Therein lies my problem with them.

While we are here, here are a few relevant links on socialism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-communism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-socialist

http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis

 

[Annihilist]

yes it is

You subvert an individual if you deny him the right to his own hard work. You say to him, with a gun to his head and your hand in his pocket, "do as you're told because others need this more than you do". When you steal from someone for the sense of a "greater good" you are saying their own worth is less than some vague and unattainable ideal. This is nothing but abrogation of the individual in servitude for something he does not wish to comply with. How can you state otherwise?

"Okay you can like what you want, but you have to have the job we tell you to have, buy the food we want you to buy, comply with only what we want you to and give the majority of what you put effort into to those who don't put effort into anything. You're still an individual though!11!."

Wrong. Everything you have said outlines fascism. Not socialism. They are different.

Socialism is an economic philosophy. Purely economic. It does not subvert the individual or their identity. It merely deals with the distribution of wealth and material goods.

 

[Ivorytw]

lolsmith I wouldn't disagree that there isn't a class difference. But there is a significant difference between the opportunities afforded to children attending a private education that shouldn't be bought and do end up creating a rather hefty divide in those at the top of any given field.

 

[Lolsmith]

lolsmith I wouldn't disagree that there isn't a class difference. But there is a significant difference between the opportunities afforded to children attending a private education that shouldn't be bought and do end up creating a rather hefty divide in those at the top of any given field.

Yeah I had in mind the time you mentioned that no heavy hitters in the business world aren't an "old boy" of some school

Except if this is the case, I wouldn't put this down to the fault of educational institutions and rather a less attractive reality of executive business

 

[Lolsmith]

Wrong. Everything you have said outlines fascism. Not socialism. They are different.

Socialism is an economic philosophy. Purely economic. It does not subvert the individual or their identity. It merely deals with the distribution of wealth and material goods.

seriously

Are you aware of what the word "taxation" means?

I was just playing around, but apparently there needs to be some seriousness added to this

 

[Annihilist]

seriously

Are you aware of what the word "taxation" means?

I was just playing around, but apparently there needs to be some seriousness added to this

Yes. I do.

What is your point?