Nolanistic said:
Limiting the sacrifices of Soldiers and the ideals of our country to a piece of cloth is stupid.
We should get upset because he burnt someone else's property. Slap on the wrist seems appropriate.
A speech + indoctrination session on values seems a bit much.
No one said that the sacrifices of soldiers are limited to the 'piece of cloth'. In most parks you can find a cenotaph (probably graffitid by some stoned little prick) in som eyou can find memorial gates, in all RSLs there is an Honour Roll, and if you've been to Canberra, you may have heard of something called "The Australian War Memorial".
The ideals of the nation are not limited by 'the cloth' either. The Union Jack does not tell us how to run our country and the stars don't tell us what to believe. The ideals are held by all the people in all the demographic ranges which make up Australia.
The 'piece of cloth', however
represents the nation. As I have said before, it represents everything that goes together to make our nation and it represents the nation as a whole. To burn it is to tell people visually that you want to burn the nation.
you can't make that comparison. The people who burnt the australian rsl flag were born in australia. It is their flag, they didnt go burn a foreign flag.
You see australians with lebanese background as foreigners. The problem is not Lebbos arabs muslims middle easterners terrorists coming here off a boat and burning flags hating australia and wanting to change it,
the flag burning was a once off incidence caused by anger following the cronulla riots, the cronulla riots said, "we australians hate you", and thats how they got back at them.
Of course I can make that comparison. Are you saying that it is justifiable from the fact that they were born in Australia, but they have a different heritage? Oh I see how it works. So if my parents migrated to Lebanon before I was born, I'd be free to burn Lebanese flags until the cows come home.
If these 'Australians with lebanese backgrounds' don't want to be seen as foreigners, then why do they call themselves Lebanese Australians? Either you're Australian or you're not. If they can't make up their mind, then maybe they should think about it over a nice hot baklava.
This particular flag burning 'incident' was
not a once off. It's happened frequently and what has happened every time? Diddly squat. The nation gets in an uproar but some hippie in the decision making process believes that discipline will only harm the free energy or some crap of the creative mind and makes it impossible for these delinquents who viciously express their hatred for our nation to get their cummupence.
Also, don't make out that the Cronulla riots were incited by Australians because they simply weren't. I gave a presentation on the riots to my legal studies class and a source of information was first hand from a cop who was there. There is no doubt that it was started by the 'ethnic party' (We need to be politically correct now don't we). And don't anyone dare say "ofcourse the police would say that. they're being racist".
As I'm sure I've stated, there is no reason to burn a flag (the most solemn and highest symbol of our nation) in order to protest anything, ever. The political process is free enough that protests can be done in a sensible manner.
And just so that everyone knows, the Australian Army is the guardian of the national flag, so if they see you desecrate it at all, they will be quite within their rights to give you what's for.
Yeah you said they are australian yet they run around flying lebanese flags attacking white australians , burning australian flags. If they are born australian and want to be considered one they should not be attacking white australians on the basis of race, burn australian flags.
What we see here is absolutely no condemnation from muslim/lebanese. They said they are racially villified, in fact they are the one who attacks other australians, gang rape, calling aussie sluts and such. What we see is minority racism against majority white people. When was the last time you heard a muslim/lebanese girl raped by a white australian? When was the last time you heard a muslimlebanese man attacked by white australian? IT IS RARE
The recent speech by the muslim leader blaming women for rape is a confirmation of muslim/lebanese mindset.
I could not agree with you more.
no they dont, they rape them because they are sex deprived horny little buggers...not every action against someone is racially motivated
"hey ahmad bro....we cant rape her because she's Swede.....not her she's Canadian...oh perfect....an Aussie!" - your damn stupid. there sexual predetors the last thing they do is discriminate.
That's not his point. The point is, you don't hear about when white Australians attack Lebanese/Muslims etc, it is always the other way around. Why? Because it happens like that more often.
the entire muslim community has called for him to be sacked....what are you talking about..it has nothing to do with lebanese or any nationality.
Again, you miss the point. When he speaks, he does so on behalf of the entire muslim community. When Ken Moroney speaks, he does so on behalf of the entire NSW Police. When ACM Houston speaks, he does so on behalf of the ADF. When your principal talks, they do so on behalf of the entire school. It is the exact same principle. When the Cleric talks about women and refers to them as "Uncovered meat" which the cats (muslims) then come and eat (rape) and blames this on the meat (women), he is peaking on behalf of the muslim community, whether they agree with him or not.
i think someone's pissed off at lebo muslims because the IDF got hammered by a guerilla army!
again....for the slow one....please dont misrepresent my words. im defending any criminal action by anybody.
What the hell are you talking about? Not only does this have
nothing to do with flag burning, the Israeli Home Guard (Under the IDF)
is the most elite fighting force in the world. They never got 'hammered' by any guerilla army. They were getting in strife for bombing the fuck out of the insolent shits and teaching them a lesson, which, on a smaller scale, is happening right here right now. Anyone who wants to teach punks a lesson, end up getting in shit themselves.
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Originally Posted by Aryanbeauty
I did not say "all" but feel free to include yourself.
Yes, we agreed that priests are responsible for many sexual misconducts and many of them are facing jail term, and no one deny they are wrong and there have been many rehabilitation process going on. On the other hand we have people like you who never accept guilt or the need to reform despite mounting evidence that lebanese muslims are racist and are responsible for many racial attacks in australia, instead you blame whites for fighting back. Borrowing the disgraced Sheikh's mindset, I would say white people's attitude towards muslims/lebanese in australia is actually invented,invited and asked for by the lebanese muslims themselves. If they don't want these so called discrimination, then they will behave like any other ethnic minority would.
Exactly.
Dont spend too much time trying to tell that to the overwhelming population of leftist youth here, even when presented with the fact that 10% of the UK and 70% (thats not a typo) of the French prison popluation are muslims, its still head in the sand, hope that it goes away. Its a shame there are so many people who view the world and its inhabitants as they want to view them, rather than what they are in reality.
You both are making extremely good points. Aryanbeauty, I think you're my new best friend.
All, returning to the topic at hand - Flag Burning
Read the following poem, and understand what its trying to say:
It's the Soldier
Charles M. Province
A protest raged on a courthouse lawn,
Round a makeshift stage they charged on,
Fifteen hundred or more they say,
Had come to burn a Flag that day.
A boy held up the folded Flag,
Cursed it, and called it a dirty rag.
An old man pushed through the angry crowd,
With a rusty shotgun shouldered proud.
His uniform jacket was old and tight,
He had polished each button, shiny and bright.
He crossed that stage with a soldier's grace,
Until he and the boy stood face to face.
Freedom of Speech, the old man said,
Is worth dying for and good men are dead,
So you can stand on this courthouse lawn,
And talk us down from dusk to dawn,
But before any Flag gets burned today,
This old man is going to have HIS say !
My father died on a foreign shore,
In a war they said would end all war.
But Tommy and I weren't even full grown,
Before we fought in a war of our own.
And Tommy died at Sattelberg Hill,
In the jungle shadows, where he lies still,
Where good men raised this Flag so high,
That the whole damn world could see it fly.
I got this bum leg that I still drag,
Fighting for this same old Flag.
Now there's but one shot in this old gun,
So now it's time to decide which one,
Which one of you will follow our lead,
To stand and die for what you believe?
For as sure as there is a rising sun,
You'll burn before this Flag burns, son.
Now this riot never came to pass.
The crowd got quiet and that can of gas,
Got set aside as they walked away
To talk about what they had heard this day.
And the boy who had called it a "dirty rag",
Handed the old soldier the folded Flag.
So the battle of the Flag this day was won
By a tired old soldier with a rusty gun,
Who for one last time,
Had to show to some,
This Flag may FADE, but
THESE COLORS DON'T RUN
