Forced Abortion (2 Viewers)

[Marmalade.]

If abortions weren't allowed, would the pro-lifers offer to raise the babies?
You can say 'oh they can be adopted to people who really want them', but there are already too many unwanted children in foster care and NOBODY WANTS THEM.

If we only allow rape victims to get abortions, I could guess that many desperate women would claim to have been raped, and that's fucked up.



Is forced abortion okay when the woman steals a guy's sperm and impregnates herself, like in Boston Legal?

 

[Marmalade.]

And yes they might be sick and demented, but it's probably a good thing that they're not having babies.

Yeah it's a bit weird for someone to argue that the callous bitches who abort like it means nothing should be forced to carry the child. I don't see them being good parents.

 

[SylviaB]

Is a fetus conceived through rape physically any different to a fetus conceived through consensual sex? No?

Then why shouldn't the abortion of both be legal hm?

 

[Joel8945]

Abortion is Murder.

People use the term 'murder' rather loosely!

Murder is when someone intentionally or recklessly kills another!

Now abortion (in most cases) is a medical precedure where the mother has the fetus's development terminated and hence removed from her uterus. There is nothing reckless or intentional about this! The mother didn't abort due to spite over the fetus!

We do have a small proportion of mothers who injure themselves so that the feutus will die (this I believe is murder)

I hate these people who are into using emotive language to make the aborting mother feel guilt over this. The mother already feels bad for aborting, why make them feel worse?

What is shocking is that I learnt through criminology that almost 20,000 Australians per year are sexually assaulted where 84% of these victims are female and what is even more shocking is that female victims aged 10-14 years old take up the highest rate (544 in 100,000 (that is about 1 in 183) females aged 10-14 will be sexually assaulted). Abortion is contraversial topic that goes beyond the biology involved and the morality of taking a 'potential' life, what about these young females who concieve based on being sexually assaulted or through mistakes.

We should be banging on the media's door right this moment about how sex is shown to be trendy with the ads we see, movies we watch and yes the songs we listen to (imagine 40 years ago having your children listen to 'Lady Gaga', 'Britney Spears', 'The Pussy Cat Dolls' and whatever else the music industry has thrown at the public). We as people can accept this as a way of life for children, but, heavens forbid them aborting through making bad decisions (decisions that shouldn't even enter a child's life), well that is just not on! Come on! Now you anti-abortion activists will say these people take up a small number and it is just wrong to abort but the fact is that denying abortion period to anyone is even more morally wrong.

Ultimately people abort for reasons such as:

- Mother not having the mental capacity to look after a child.
- Mother being sexually assaulted.
- Mother being a child themselves.
- The feutus's development may lead to complications that will affect the quality of life to the child to be born
- Mother making a mistake as an 'adult' and just wanting to put that behind them (this I don't support)
etc

So I just want to finish by saying that banning abortion altogether should not happen!

 

[Joel8945]

do intestinal worms deserve to live?

Nice shot!!!

 

[absorber]

I do agree that young couples make mistakes, that they don't have abortions when they probably should...but it's a basic denial of rights to not give them a choice. In addition, I'm of the understanding that abortions can have negative health effects for the woman. I'm pro-choice, not pro-abortion

 

[absorber]

abortion is wrong, if the child can not be cared for or unwanted the child should be put up for adoption there are thousands of people who would love a baby, and can not, and there are thousands of women having abortions, whilst some people never get to adopt

The question, is if it would be in the best interests of the child to allow it not to be born in the first place

 

[withoutaface]

There may be some situations in which the subject of abortion may arise, such as if the girl in question was raped resulting in a pregnancy, or if the baby had a syndrome which meant they may not be able to survive outside the womb, or if the mother is in direct danger because of the pregnancy, but terminating a life without a real reason, such as those mentioned by you, is murder.

If life begins at conception then the termination of a child, even if it's the product of rape or incest, is murder. Just because they've been conceived in a manner which they did not choose is no reason for them to suffer. Your views are inconsistent so fuck right off.

 

[Riet]

I'm pro-abortion, not pro-choice.

 

[Joel8945]

If abortions weren't allowed, would the pro-lifers offer to raise the babies?
You can say 'oh they can be adopted to people who really want them', but there are already too many unwanted children in foster care and NOBODY WANTS THEM.

If we only allow rape victims to get abortions, I could guess that many desperate women would claim to have been raped, and that's fucked up.



Is forced abortion okay when the woman steals a guy's sperm and impregnates herself, like in Boston Legal?

If the population gets too high we could say that we are loosing the global warming battle by forcing people to not abort (if they want to that is). This forum is open ended (I believe that we can remove the forced bit and just stick with saying its people's views on abortion).

I definately believe that abortion should be forced in some circumstances where say the mother's life may be jeopardised or the mother may not have the mental capacity to understand that they are pregnant.

As for the Boston Legal case it seems perculiar but weirder things have happened. A great debate could rise though over the media's portrayal of it being 'trendy' to have children from foreign countries and women wanting to be like their role model 'Angelina' (give that women 20 years and she'll have a house with as many rooms for children as there is countries and a child from every country to fill the room). I'm sorry for sounding like that but all famous people have an image: Einstein has E=mc^2, Angelina has children from almost every country, Tom Cruise has the oprah couch, etc.

 

[Tully B.]

Is forced abortion okay when the woman steals a guy's sperm and impregnates herself, like in Boston Legal?

I'm going to go start watching Boston Legal.

People use the term 'murder' rather loosely!

Murder is when someone intentionally or recklessly kills another!

I had a CD teacher who told our class that abortion was genocide, so I told her to fuck off (or something to that effect) and look up "genocide" in the dictionary. Pretty sure I got a detention...

 

[Joel8945]

Originally Posted by J.a.d.e
There may be some situations in which the subject of abortion may arise, such as if the girl in question was raped resulting in a pregnancy, or if the baby had a syndrome which meant they may not be able to survive outside the womb, or if the mother is in direct danger because of the pregnancy, but terminating a life without a real reason, such as those mentioned by you, is murder.

abortion =/= murder

When people abort the development of a feutus it is not murder! They didn't recklessly or intentionally kill the feutus through spite.

 

[J.a.d.e :-)]

I cbf reading all the posts since i was last here, but...

If life begins at conception then the termination of a child, even if it's the product of rape or incest, is murder. Just because they've been conceived in a manner which they did not choose is no reason for them to suffer. Your views are inconsistent so fuck right off.

I'VE ALREADY SAID THAT ANY FORM OF ABORTION, EVEN THOSE WITH VALID REASON, SUCH AS THOSE MENTIONED BY YOU (rape, incest) IS MURDER!

[/i]


abortion =/= murder

When people abort the development of a feutus it is not murder! They didn't recklessly or intentionally kill the feutus through spite.

Um yes, they are intentionally killing the fetus. They're doing it on purpose.

 

[Riet]

A foetus isn't a human though.

 

[Joel8945]

I'm going to go start watching Boston Legal.




I had a CD teacher who told our class that abortion was genocide, so I told her to fuck off (or something to that effect) and look up "genocide" in the dictionary. Pretty sure I got a detention...

lol the episode is on season 4.

Genocide - basically trying to wipe out the human race. I would have said 'fuck off' too. People today are so full of themself with political correctness sometimes you need to tell them to fuck off. How is abortion genocide?

 

[J.a.d.e :-)]

This is really turning into therapeutic abortion Vs elective abortion.

Getting side tracked from the original question...

 

[Laika_]

This is really turning into therapeutic abortion Vs elective abortion.

Getting side tracked from the original question...

yeah but a foetus isnt alive

 

[Tully B.]

lol the episode is on season 4.

Genocide - basically trying to wipe out the human race. I would have said 'fuck off' too. People today are so full of themself with political correctness sometimes you need to tell them to fuck off. How is abortion genocide?

I have no fucking clue how she got to the idea that abortion is genocide. She's gone now though, off to some 5 year christian camp (which I hope is simply a euphemism for "she's dead").

 

[EpicFailGuy]

lol the original question is long in the past jade, it was just a a statement, which aimed to start a discussion. I don't believe in what I said, it was just controversial and I believed people would argue strongly

 

[Joel8945]

Um yes, they are intentionally killing the fetus. They're doing it on purpose.

So you are saying that through spite they have intentionally gone and killed a feutus? How can you put a feutus with human beings that have been murdered. Human beings can make rational choices, speak, have feelings, etc. whilst a feutus has none of those qualities, it may be a life but its not a life in the sense of having the attributes we associate with humans. A feutus can't speak to you, it can't make rational decisions, it can't feel any emotions.