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No way man. Ur not getting away from this that easily! Jew get back here!Evan11 said:touche
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No way man. Ur not getting away from this that easily! Jew get back here!Evan11 said:touche
ur mum should get in no problem with the spearing i gave her last nitechicky_pie said:Getting speared would guaranteed you a membership into the Aboriginal club.![]()
You presented chicky pie's mother with a spear you crafted yourself from the finest Eucalyptus tree in the bush?Enteebee said:ur mum should get in no problem with the spearing i gave her last nite
if u understand what im aluding to.
No, he mounted then railed her.jb_nc said:You presented chicky pie's mother with a spear you crafted yourself from the finest Eucalyptus tree in the bush?
Did I get it?
Simple common sensestazi said:by making threads like this, you lose all of your dignity in the first place. If they wanted it by Easter Monday you should have sent out your package to arrive before the public holidays. Common sense.
You didn't close the door last nightEnteebee said:ur mum should get in no problem with the spearing i gave her last nite
if u understand what im aluding to.
Evan11 said:while i realise this is joking and slightly sarcastic, it is this logic i am against. i think i am perfectly entitled to be against welfare, and personally (yes im going to put it out there) i think welfare should be revamped. I disagree that welfare is a social contract and i also disagree that the majority of people who receive welfare will more than pay it back. i think a lot of people rort the system. I also do not believe that the majority of people choose to be taxed so that their hard earned dollarrs (sorry bout the cliche) can go into welfare. i think that to say so is taking an overly optimistic (not that this is such a bad appraoch) view to human nature, and as much as i would like to believe in a communist philosophy where everyone is equal, i fail to see it as a fair system when people working harder than others do not get adequate benefits comparativley. if you would like guys, we can start a new thread re: the welfare debate, and im sure we can get some true god points flowing on either side. its a debate i would be very intersted in being a participant in. (btw apologies for rambling, poor grammar, spelling etc i was at a friends 18th)
But there's no differentiation between those who do and don't receive youth allowance, so others are still paying more tax to subsidise someone else's lifestyle.blue_chameleon said:Thats complete bullshit.
For the purposes of what im going to point out to you, im going to assume that Centrelink = Independent Youth Allowance (as that is what the majority of students that are receiving benefits are receiving them under).
Independent Youth Allowance students you around $10,920 p.a (max).
On this you also still pay tax (about $700).
Lets assume that a student receives this for the entirety of their studies (4 years as an example). So, they are receiving around $40,000 from the government.
After graduation, if they work earning the average grad salary of around $35,000pa, they will pay tax of around $5,000. Thats $15,000 repaid over 3 years. With pay increases over the next few years, this remaining $25,000 should be repaid within the next 4 years (at around $6,000 tax payable per year).
So basically, the transition from student to working in paid employment for 8 years earning the extremely conservative figure of $35,000 will ensure that the amount of money received through Centrelink is paid back.
Even if you were to fail at scoring a job, and you worked in retail for the rest of your life, you'd still pay back the government in less than a third of your full working life. Then the taxpaying ex-student has to look forward to roughly another 30-35 years of contributing taxes.
From a financial perspective, thats a pretty good investment by the government. They would be idiots not to provide support their future taxpayers to assist with them in their studies, and ultimately helping them in receiving a high taxable income.
What im saying is that you have no idea at all how the system works, because you're still so young. The numbers certainly dont support your view.
Not all taxpayers are eligible to receive all the government handouts available either (be they welfare payments or the multitude of others). There will always be those that rip off the system, and there will always be those that wont get any assistance from the government, yet are still good little taxpaying citizens. Fact of life, there's nothing surer than death and taxes.withoutaface said:But there's no differentiation between those who do and don't receive youth allowance, so others are still paying more tax to subsidise someone else's lifestyle.
"The system is shit, but why bother changing it"blue_chameleon said:Not all taxpayers are eligible to receive all the government handouts available either (be they welfare payments or the multitude of others). There will always be those that rip off the system, and there will always be those that wont get any assistance from the government, yet are still good little taxpaying citizens. Fact of life, there's nothing surer than death and taxes.
Awh shucks, thanks man.withoutaface said:"The system is shit, but why bother changing it"
Fuck man, you're a visionary!
word.zimmerman8k said:The theory is that:
a) the payments will encourage more people to do degrees or enable them to be more successful at those degrees
b) they will earn more as a result of their degree and thus end up paying more tax.
so overall the policy is a worthwile investment, even if certain individuals exploit it.
yeah for youth allowance thats fine. but what i said was that i doubted teh majority of those receiving welfare would pay it back. i.e. ppl on the dole, disability pension, etczimmerman8k said:The theory is that:
a) the payments will encourage more people to do degrees or enable them to be more successful at those degrees
b) they will earn more as a result of their degree and thus end up paying more tax.
so overall the policy is a worthwile investment, even if certain individuals exploit it.
lol with all this bos procrastinating its probably where ill end up!Graney said:You should go on the dole since it's so great Evan.
yes i did, she's just that loud.chicky_pie said:You didn't close the door last night![]()
well I don't think we should begrudge people who need a disability pension to get by because they can't work (or can't work enough), if they don't 'pay back' their debt to society. It's a little different from a lazy dole bludger...Evan11 said:yeah for youth allowance thats fine. but what i said was that i doubted teh majority of those receiving welfare would pay it back. i.e. ppl on the dole, disability pension, etc