• Congratulations to the Class of 2024 on your results!
    Let us know how you went here
    Got a question about your uni preferences? Ask us here

Help Differentiate? (1 Viewer)

Zokunu

Member
Joined
May 18, 2012
Messages
239
Location
Sydney
Gender
Male
HSC
2014
Use the product rule to differentiate.

y= x^2 (x^3 - 2x + 5)

y = (7x^3 -1)(2x^2 + 6x + 5)

THX
 
Last edited:

EpikHigh

Arizona Tears
Joined
Dec 17, 2011
Messages
499
Gender
Male
HSC
2013
Use the product rule to differentiate.

y= x^2 (x^3 - 2x + 5)

THX
So we know the product rule is vu' + uv' right?

u = x^2
u'= 2x

v = x^3-2x+5
v' = 3x^2-2

therefore dy/dx = 2x(x^3-2x+5) + x^2(3x^2-2) expand then simplify.
 

Smile12345

Active Member
Joined
May 30, 2013
Messages
827
Gender
Undisclosed
HSC
2014
2nd Question - Same as EpikHigh's explanation.

u=7x^3 -1
u'=21x^2

v= 2x^2 + 6x + 5
v'= 4x + 6

Therefore dy/dx = (2x^2 + 6x + 5).(21x^2) + (7x^3-1).(4x + 6)
which is the same as 21x^2 (2x^2 + 6x + 5) + 4x+6(7x^3 -1)

Then expand and simplify.

Trust I've got it right. :)
 

Zokunu

Member
Joined
May 18, 2012
Messages
239
Location
Sydney
Gender
Male
HSC
2014
2nd Question - Same as EpikHigh's explanation.

u=7x^3 -1
u'=21x^2

v= 2x^2 + 6x + 5
v'= 4x + 6

Therefore dy/dx = (2x^2 + 6x + 5).(21x^2) + (7x^3-1).(4x + 6)
which is the same as 21x^2 (2x^2 + 6x + 5) + 4x+6(7x^3 -1)

Then expand and simplify.

Trust I've got it right. :)
Ye thx, i did that one already :). Can you guys help me out with this? I did it, but what i got is a long as...equation which i think is wrong.

y = (x^2+5x)(4x -11)^6
 

EpikHigh

Arizona Tears
Joined
Dec 17, 2011
Messages
499
Gender
Male
HSC
2013
Ye thx, i did that one already :). Can you guys help me out with this? I did it, but what i got is a long as...equation which i think is wrong.

y = (x^2+5x)(4x -11)^6
This is very similar, It's a combination of both the product rule and chain rule, that is with the 2nd product (4x-11)^6

So this is the exact same, except when you differentiate v you use chain rule

v = (4x-11)^6
dv/dx = 6(4x-11)^5 multiplied by 4 (the derivative of whats inside the brackets

which is 24(4x-11)^5

the rest I think you should be able to do.
 

Zokunu

Member
Joined
May 18, 2012
Messages
239
Location
Sydney
Gender
Male
HSC
2014
This is very similar, It's a combination of both the product rule and chain rule, that is with the 2nd product (4x-11)^6

So this is the exact same, except when you differentiate v you use chain rule

v = (4x-11)^6
dv/dx = 6(4x-11)^5 multiplied by 4 (the derivative of whats inside the brackets

which is 24(4x-11)^5

the rest I think you should be able to do.
I did what you said. I got this -> (2x+5)(4x-11)^6 + 24(x^2 + 5x)(4x-11)^5

Ok, how am I supposed to factorise this?
Is it (4x-11)^5 {(2x+5) + 24 (x^2 + 5x)(4x-11)?

Thx man
 

SharkeyBoy

Member
Joined
Nov 15, 2012
Messages
180
Gender
Male
HSC
2013
I did what you said. I got this -> (2x+5)(4x-11)^6 + 24(x^2 + 5x)(4x-11)^5

Ok, how am I supposed to factorise this?
Is it (4x-11)^5 {(2x+5) + 24 (x^2 + 5x)(4x-11)?

Thx man
Close, it's
(4x-11)^5 {(2x+5)(4x-11) + 24 (x^2 + 5x)}
 

cookiez69

What a stupid name, Nat.
Joined
Sep 16, 2012
Messages
74
Gender
Male
HSC
2014
Sorry man, can you explain a bit further?
.
All you do is use the product rule and when you differentiate for u' and v', you must use the product rule as well. Try it for yourself first, but if you need the working out tell me.
 

Zokunu

Member
Joined
May 18, 2012
Messages
239
Location
Sydney
Gender
Male
HSC
2014
.
All you do is use the product rule and when you differentiate for u' and v', you must use the product rule as well. Try it for yourself first, but if you need the working out tell me.
A bit confusing but ye. I got it now, thx :)
 

koreafantasy

Member
Joined
Aug 3, 2013
Messages
106
Gender
Male
HSC
2013
Screw the vuuv method, I find it really hard to use in exam situations. Try this instead-
Write out the two functions you are multiplying with brackets twice, and add a plus in the middle. Add a dash to the left one first, then on the other side, a dash to the right one. say the function you are trying to differentiate is (2x+1)(3x+1).
You write-
(2x+1)'(3x+1) + (2x+1)(3x+1)'
= 2(3x+1) + 3(2x+1)
= Easy algebra :)
This way, you can really easily see what you are doing, rather than trying to figure out what v and u are, and trying to differentiate them separately.
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1)

Top