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[Survivor39]

Which person will get a higher UAI if person A and B gets these HSC marks?

Person A
english advanced 85
Maths EX1 85
Maths EX2 85
Physics 85
Chemistry 85

Person B
english advanced 95
General maths 95
Business Services 95
senior science 95
Food Technology 95

I just want to compare a person who gets all band 6 but does "low scaling" subjects to a person who get all band 5 with "high scaling subjects"

Who will achieve a higher UAI and HOW fair is the scaling system in this particular case?

 

[honky tonk]

This is an absolute guess, but I would assume that they would get the following marks:

Person A - 98

Person B - 99

But you need to remember that getting 95 in such courses like Business Services, English Advanced and even General Maths is pretty difficult.

 

[Newbie]

person A - 96
person B - 99


95 in english is like.......fucking impossible.........for me anyway

 

[honky tonk]

Originally posted by Newbie
person A - 96
person B - 99


95 in english is like.......fucking impossible.........for me anyway

And me.

 

[Waldo]

adding to the list

and me

 

[enak]

maybe you should change adv to std english on person b
in either case i think person a will achieve a higher uai.

are these aligned marks, or percentile bands, if it were percentile bands i could estimate person a if u wish, except for phy i do sdd

Your 2003 UAI is: 97.65

But sdd scales like shit, so maybe 98/99

 

[Newbie]

85 in english advance is very ordinary though, 50th percentile or something
and 85 in maths 3/4 is even worse

GO PERSON B!
is this you survivor?

 

[Survivor39]

"GO PERSON B!
is this you survivor?" - Newbie

ermm, no, B is not me.
but i am competing with someone like person A, but only...
english advanced 85
Maths EX1 98
Maths EX2 95
Physics 94
Chemistry 96

 

[-=«MÄLÅÇhïtÊ»=-]

i dunno person b, but person a had everything same as me counted in their uai and he aint gonna get 98. 96 was a good guess.


english advanced 85
Maths EX1 98
Maths EX2 95
Physics 94
Chemistry 96

is prolly a mid 99
english is expenssive

 

[Lazarus]

The exact UAIs would depend on which year's scaling you used. Person B would probably receive a higher UAI than Person A in most cases, however.

Originally posted by Survivor39
I just want to compare a person who gets all band 6 but does "low scaling" subjects to a person who get all band 5 with "high scaling subjects"

You can't, really. You can't compare aligned marks between courses. Whilst Person A might have received 85 in every course, they certainly haven't performed at the same level in every course. A similar argument could be made for Person B.

Originally posted by Survivor39
HOW fair is the scaling system in this particular case?

The scaling system is as fair as it always is.

 

[~Dreamer]

what is the caling percintile on biology? i think ive limited myself with my three electives being science courses

 

[Survivor39]

"The exact UAIs would depend on which year's scaling you used." - Laz
every years the scalings are almost the same for those subjects that are listed. e.g. Physics in 2001 are almost similar to 2002.

"Person B would probably receive a higher UAI than Person A in most cases..." - Laz
YES! Go person B!! person B deserves it, as he/she has reaches the highest possible performance band, whereas A didn't satisfied all the possible outcomes of the courses.

"The scaling system is as fair as it always is." - Laz
In this case, I agree, since B will get a higher UAI. But according to last year, HOW much differences does it make in terms of the UAI?

 

[Survivor39]

One more thing, what my friend will probably end up getting for his UAI (he'll likely end up being the dux, so...)

english advanced 85
Maths EX1 98
Maths EX2 95
Physics 94
Chemistry 96
economics 94

 

[Newbie]

a 94 physics that doesnt count HAHAHA
your friend must be a fucken genius

anyway can you guess what hsc score your friend is gona get?
like whats the basis? cuz i wana use it

 

[Macccca]

um a 94 physics will count over a 94 eco?

 

[ND]

Not if this year's scaling is like last year's.

 

[Lazarus]

Originally posted by Survivor39
"The exact UAIs would depend on which year's scaling you used." - Laz
every years the scalings are almost the same for those subjects that are listed. e.g. Physics in 2001 are almost similar to 2002.

*sigh* When will you kids learn?

You've given us ALIGNED marks to work with. Yes, the scaled means have been similar from year to year! The distributions of aligned marks, and the band percentages and so on, haven't been! The equivalencies between aligned and scaled marks are EXTREMELY different between years. Compare 2001 marks with 2002 marks via the UAISeeker, for example (or do it manually yourself).

Originally posted by Survivor39
"Person B would probably receive a higher UAI than Person A in most cases..." - Laz
YES! Go person B!! person B deserves it, as he/she has reaches the highest possible performance band, whereas A didn't satisfied all the possible outcomes of the courses.

No - that's not why they deserve it... the UAI has nothing to do with achieving course outcomes. That's why all that crap about bands and standards and so on is completely discarded when it's calculated.

Originally posted by Survivor39
"The scaling system is as fair as it always is." - Laz
In this case, I agree, since B will get a higher UAI. But according to last year, HOW much differences does it make in terms of the UAI?

In 2002, there was no Business Services course.

If you used the 2001 scaling for that course only, and 2002 for the others, the difference would have only been around four points at most.

 

[Eeko]

Originally posted by Survivor39
"GO PERSON B!
is this you survivor?" - Newbie

ermm, no, B is not me.
but i am competing with someone like person A, but only...
english advanced 85
Maths EX1 98
Maths EX2 95
Physics 94
Chemistry 96

ur typical run of a mill day to day asian

 

[Minai]

Just to add, that person that Survivor mentioned would probably get a UAI between 99.65 and 99.85

 

[Survivor39]

NOOOO, so high.