Homosexuality in Australia (8 Viewers)

[mr EaZy]

im happy that many people were against it (homoes), BUT over 200 people are strongly in favour of homosexuality

i interpreted the mainstream to be : "if they wanna do it, go ahead"
but strongly supports it means either: "i wanna do it! NOW!!!" or "i will campaign for it even though ill never do it myself!!!"

because i doubt that half of us are politically active in this area, or that we're gay, i think the format of the poll should have been better phrased.... just my op!

 

[Adam1987]

Oh right so everybody is allowed to bring in their beliefs EXCEPT christians?

Meh, I used Lord because I was brought up as a christian and coincide it with God or higher being.

Retard.

Homophobic little bitch.

 

[goldendawn]

No it epitomizes the fact that it was carried out by a far left political party

You clearly do not know your politics very well; the Democrats are not far-left; nothing needs to epitomise itself; and in Australia we spell epitomise with an 's' and not with a 'z'.

and the fact that a person of 15 years is likely to be politically left of the same person at 20 years.

Even if I were to believe your unexamined assumptions (and I daresay I would find credulity difficult), then it nonetheless seems to me that you have unfairly conflated political orientation with support of - or resistance to - gay marriage. Despite differences in political orientation, the trend of the increasing support of gay marriage is clearly documented.

You have failed to present any evidence to support your contentions.

 

[dagwoman]

im happy that many people were against it (homoes), BUT over 200 people are strongly in favour of homosexuality

Excuse me?

What reason do you have to be against "homoes"?

To my understanding, these people were voicing their support for gay people to have equal rights to straight people, not to be "strongly in favour" of a sexuality itself.

 

[HotShot]

Excuse me?

What reason do you have to be against "homoes"?

To my understanding, these people were voicing their support for gay people to have equal rights to straight people, not to be "strongly in favour" of a sexuality itself.

are you sure? are u just being ignorant?

 

[KFunk]

In my case her understanding is correct.

 

[Capitalist Scum]

News flash, the democrats ARE a far left party, look at their policies, in almost every instance they are left of the the Labour centre-left.

News flash, I don't support tarriffs or quotas, only subsidies and LCR's which are the policy of our current neo-liberal government.

1. The Democrats have been able to find a compromise with the Liberal government on a number of issues in the senate in that past, ones which Labor were too far left to consider. If you could find me some examples of economic policies where the Dems are further left than the ALP please post them.
2. The government only supports them because they'd be impossible to remove as the agrarian socialist Nationals would oppose it vehemently.

 

[Capitalist Scum]

im happy that many people were against it (homoes), BUT over 200 people are strongly in favour of homosexuality

i interpreted the mainstream to be : "if they wanna do it, go ahead"
but strongly supports it means either: "i wanna do it! NOW!!!" or "i will campaign for it even though ill never do it myself!!!"

because i doubt that half of us are politically active in this area, or that we're gay, i think the format of the poll should have been better phrased.... just my op!

Hence why I haven't voted in the poll, it's ambiguous as to what it's asking.

 

[Stott Despoja]

im happy that many people were against it (homoes), BUT over 200 people are strongly in favour of homosexuality

Quite the turn of phrase there, chap!

i interpreted the mainstream to be : "if they wanna do it, go ahead"
but strongly supports it means either: "i wanna do it! NOW!!!" or "i will campaign for it even though ill never do it myself!!!"

because i doubt that half of us are politically active in this area, or that we're gay, i think the format of the poll should have been better phrased.... just my op!

Though I do concede that Capitalist Scum may have a point regarding the poll, I personally don't see what is wrong with the poll if one takes the time to think about the issue given that it's quite easy to reach the position taken by dagwoman and kfunk (and many others, as it is plain to see).

Also, why must someone be politically active in a particular area or be of a particular sexual persuasion in order to express strong support and/or strong interest? What's wrong with campaigning or voicing support for the campaign for the rights and freedoms of the individual and their partners? Oh, that's right, you're religiously opposed to such notions (or so it would seem). My apologies!

 

[HotShot]

In my case her understanding is correct.

It clearly states "What do you think of homosexuality in Australia?"

Rather than "What do you think of homosexuals in Australia?"

 

[dagwoman]

Yes, we all realise what it says. However, due to the opening POST, it can be deduced that the poll was badly written, and the original poster meant to be asking how people felt about homosexuality as a whole, and since it's in the politics forum, the political issues associated with it, e.g. marriage etc.

 

[bshoc]

Meh, I used Lord because I was brought up as a christian and coincide it with God or higher being.

Homophobic little bitch.

Religion is as a legitimate part of a persons beliefs as any other, most people do not have a separate set of secular beliefs on the one hand and religious on the other, to imply that certain beliefs be kept out violates the very principle of democracy, thus the reason why you are a retard.

 

[bshoc]

You clearly do not know your politics very well; the Democrats are not far-left; nothing needs to epitomise itself; and in Australia we spell epitomise with an 's' and not with a 'z'.

The Democrats are in aggregate to the left of Labor, certainly socially and in many cases economically, which one can easily derive by examining policy documents and voting patterns over the past years, which I have done.

If dead political parties and pointing out two acceptable methods of spelling the same word are all you have, lol.

Even if I were to believe your unexamined assumptions (and I daresay I would find credulity difficult), then it nonetheless seems to me that you have unfairly conflated political orientation with support of - or resistance to - gay marriage. Despite differences in political orientation, the trend of the increasing support of gay marriage is clearly documented.

You have failed to present any evidence to support your contentions.

Friendly hint: Neither have you

I mean there is no genius required to be able to see that for whatever reason Labor and the Greens garner a massive youth vote and then lose most of it as that youth grows up, this has to do with changing values and conditions of people as they grow, this is a pretty well documented phenomenon across a great deal of western countries. Also how is gay marriage getting more acceptable? Two years ago the government pretty much outright made it impossible even for future governments, no public outcry, no great public forums, nothing, nobody really gave a stuff accept gay rights groups.

 

[dagwoman]

If dead political parties and pointing out two acceptable methods of spelling the same word are all you have, lol.

I wouldn't be criticising flaws in individuals' arguments if I were you.

 

[Adam1987]

It clearly states "What do you think of homosexuality in Australia?"

Well I would consider homosexuality to include homosexuals and their rights/problems.

most people do not have a separate set of secular beliefs on the one hand and religious on the other

Well too bad for the law then.

 

[goldendawn]

If dead political parties and pointing out two acceptable methods of spelling the same word are all you have, lol.

The Democrats may unfortunately have dwindled, yet it is nonetheless unacceptable to spell epitomise with a 'z' in Australia. How well do you know your own country? To conclude that these are my only arguments is specious.

Friendly hint: Neither have you

I presented the data from the poll as initial evidence. If you would like, I could find results from other polls on this topic to corroborate.

I mean there is no genius required to be able to see that for whatever reason Labor and the Greens garner a massive youth vote and then lose most of it as that youth grows up, this has to do with changing values and conditions of people as they grow, this is a pretty well documented phenomenon across a great deal of western countries.

If it is a 'pretty well documented phenomenon', then where is your documentation? Contentions must be examined.

Also how is gay marriage getting more acceptable?

There is a clear global trend for the legal recognition of same-sex unions, with a number of states and countries adopting this resolution in the past decade.

 

[isograph]

Its interesting to see that so many people are sitting on the fence with this poll (ie the two middle selections) All the people i know are either strongly against it or for it.
bshoc seems to be in denial about the fact that acceptance of homosexuality is increasing. It is, luckily.
Also bshoc, have you found any studies that have shown sexuality is a choice? (sorry if youve already posted them but i cant read back through this huge thread)

 

[Xayma]

It isn't asking about acceptance. No opinion for instance could mean that someone just doesn't care about the sexuality of a person or be undecided, it doesn't necessairly mean they are sitting on the fence.

Also how is homosexuality increasing lucky? It shouldn't matter if 4% or 1% of the population is homosexual. The same rights should be afforded in both cases, and since like most people homosexuals are divided strongly on politics any increase won't hit high enough to have a strong effect (even accounting for predispositioning towards one side which might support gay rights if it exists).

 

[kami]

Also how is homosexuality increasing lucky?

I believe the poster was referring to the increase of acceptance of homosexuality being lucky, as opposed to any increase of homosexuality itself.

 

[bshoc]

I wouldn't be criticising flaws in individuals' arguments if I were you.

Coming from the poster who always post groupie statments and has no substance of her own.