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Just because I am in a LaTexy mood:



ehhh the last few lines cbb fixing up the constants
 
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Could someone please help me with the following induction question? Having some trouble here :newburn:
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Please explain further ^ :blink2:
 

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Re: HSC 2013 3U Marathon Thread

I think im doing it wrong lol

Do you prove,

1/ 2^(k+1)-1 > 1/2
 

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Please explain further ^ :blink2:
Say I have a sequence of terms







and so on, so that means:



So when we do then, how many extra terms are we adding on?

Remember how, normally when we do induction with series, we normally add 1 term to both sides of the step 2 expression to end up with the LHS of the Step 3 expression
Remember that this is the reason why we add to both sides of the Step 2, so we can get something similar to the Step 3 expression to end up with maybe a proof.

Similarly for the above example I made, when trying to manipulate the Step 2 expression, to make it look like the Step 3 LHS, how many terms would we have to add on?

Likewise, how many terms would we have to add on to your induction inequality's Step 2 expression, to make it look like the Step 3 expression?
 

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It makes more sense when you explain it that way because usually it is always adding one term, not multiple terms
 
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Would you have to add an extra 2^n terms to the LHS of the inequality?
 

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But do you still take the last term of the series as the nth term or is an extra independent term in which you add it on the series leading up to 1/n? This is what is confusing me, where is the general term of the series?
 

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But do you still take the last term of the series as the nth term or is an extra independent term in which you add it on the series leading up to 1/n? This is what is confusing me, where is the general term of the series?
If you write it in summation notation it becomes easier to understand, so this is the general sum:



We need to prove that



For n = k (just like normal)



And we need to prove that for n=k+1



And we know that

 

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You made it so much clearer for me now, thanks! :D
 

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Moey, is that you?
 

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Disclaimer: I can't do this
 
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Disclaimer: I can't do this
my first method was totally wrong i realised after 2 hours :D
total number of ways they can be arranged is 7! =5040
number of ways all couples sit together = 3!2!2!2!2! =96
number of ways 2 couples sit together but other 2 random = 5!2!2! =480
number of ways only 1 couple sit together = 6!2!=1440
therefore number of ways none sit together = 5040-96-480-1440 =3024
once again i dont know for sure
 
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