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nwatts
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We've just had a bit of a debate about synthesis/integration in another thread... I'll see if I can find it.
Basically, if you aren't synthesising between texts to draw out similar concepts/language techniques/whatever, you aren't presenting a very sophisticated essay, so you won't get a band 6. My view is that total integration of texts is needed for top marks, however some disagree. I've never not integrated, and I score between 13-15. Might be an indication.
And in Advanced it's an absolute must in everything except module B.
Basically, if you aren't synthesising between texts to draw out similar concepts/language techniques/whatever, you aren't presenting a very sophisticated essay, so you won't get a band 6. My view is that total integration of texts is needed for top marks, however some disagree. I've never not integrated, and I score between 13-15. Might be an indication.
And in Advanced it's an absolute must in everything except module B.
goan_crazy
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I thought this was a maths thread in the english forum from the title 
do u mean intertextuality? I disagree with nwatts, its not a must
Do what you feel comfortable with
make sure u answer the question tho.
do u mean intertextuality? I disagree with nwatts, its not a must
Do what you feel comfortable with
make sure u answer the question tho.
nwatts
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What? Intertextuality? NO!
Synthesis is totally needed. Not only have two HSC markers told me, TWO different eng adv/ext1 teachers on the advice line have said it.
Synthesis is totally needed. Not only have two HSC markers told me, TWO different eng adv/ext1 teachers on the advice line have said it.
goan_crazy
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nwatts U mean making links between the texts when u find parallels?
How synthesised is yours?
How synthesised is yours?
nwatts
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My essays are fully synthesised. Every single paragraph will contain a discussion of two or more texts, on a specific concept or aspect of my thread. I'll raise some aspect of the journey, and see what all my texts have to say about it.
Sweets
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For Module A your discussion must be integrated but it is not necessary for AOS and such. I got 15 for my trial for AOS essay and all the teachers at my school are HSC markers. However thats just my personal style of writing and it does in compass comparative statements when i feel neccessary.
Do what suits you best. My teacher also commented that many integrated essays end up very all over the place. So if you aren't that confidet it is best to stick with just going through the texts. But make sure you link them. Like don't suddently jump to your stimulus text. Rather you could say. Conversely, Margaret Atwood in yadayada suggests that it is the imaginative search for the self which is the most fundamental journey...or whatever.
Do what suits you best. My teacher also commented that many integrated essays end up very all over the place. So if you aren't that confidet it is best to stick with just going through the texts. But make sure you link them. Like don't suddently jump to your stimulus text. Rather you could say. Conversely, Margaret Atwood in yadayada suggests that it is the imaginative search for the self which is the most fundamental journey...or whatever.
goan_crazy
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He always ignores that questionKabeio said:
I'm still yet to see any essays posted up by him.
All were getting is criticism.
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Agreed - I did not integrate my texts for my trial AOS essay and achieved 15/15.Sweets said:
I think the meaning of 'integrated' you're working off is a bit flawed, actually. I've read an exemplar Module A essay - in which integration, I believe, is imperative - which dealt with the texts one after the other, with only two or three comparative sentences.
What they mean by 'integrated' is that it should seem to form a cohesive whole when marked by impression. That does not mean every raised concept and idea must be integrated with similar ideas in another text. I'd imagine such an approach would result in a fairly haphazard essay - a band 6 criterion is that the essay must be logically and well-structured, and going overboard with integration actually detracts from that.
Jesus - look the markers don't have a list of things they tick off they won't go OMG person didn't write a sentence comparing the two texts in every paragraph I'll take off 2 marks - it's the general impression conveyed whether you can show how the journey is conveyed in the texts, the depth of discussion, whether it sustains their attention, the insights into the journey - you're just fussing about nothing nwatts/
Exactly. Markers are not bastards trying to strip you of all your marks. They try to give them to you wherever possible. Synthesising is not a requirement, it simply strengthens links between your texts and thus supports your argument, superficially at least. But it's not a necessity especially for those who can't make it work. I scored 14/15 for my AOS Trial with no synthesis at a school who's English faculty never gives full marks.
nwatts
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Pfft, all i'm saying is that without sufficient integration of texts your argument won't be to the sophisticated and complex standard expected for a 15/15.cherryblossom said:
And gorgo31, are any of the teachers marking you HSC Area of Study markers? I'm sorry, but this last phrase just killed whatever credibility your 14/15 had "at a school who's English faculty never gives full marks". Is your year incredibly dull?
The bottom line is that you must have a sense of a thesis in your writing - which may mean that you have to link your texts. You basically achieve this everytime you refer back to your thesis/topic statement in the opener.
Superficial attempts such as "In contast..." do not necessarily work, unless you explain the contrast, or simularity - to illustrate your argument.
Just try to illustrate the differences and simularities as you see them and write 'em down as you go.
Superficial attempts such as "In contast..." do not necessarily work, unless you explain the contrast, or simularity - to illustrate your argument.
Just try to illustrate the differences and simularities as you see them and write 'em down as you go.
nwatts
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Pfft. Look at playboy's silly thread and find it.goan_crazy said:
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Integration is not required to achieve full marks, however it is preferred. Non-integrated (or minimally integrated, rather) essays that got a Band 6 do exist, however what they lack in integration, they make up for in clear and consistent arguments.
Integration can demonstrate flair when done well, however obviously if you are not very familiar with it, you are far better off writing in a "chunk" format. Ultimately the argument is the most important thing (and by extension, how well you answer the question) but the level of sophistication - formality of register, style and integration - can certainly enhance an essay and I imagine it helps.
Integration can demonstrate flair when done well, however obviously if you are not very familiar with it, you are far better off writing in a "chunk" format. Ultimately the argument is the most important thing (and by extension, how well you answer the question) but the level of sophistication - formality of register, style and integration - can certainly enhance an essay and I imagine it helps.
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lol don't pay much attension to nwatts = his school is no where near as good as yours...