Is it possible for me to state rank (1 Viewer)

[Somehumanguy]

For context I came 2nd or 3rd overall for my internals out of 40 students in a 200-ish ranked school which gets one state rank once in a blue moon once every few years or so, if I get 100 or 99 raw in math advanced hsc, do I potentially have a chance to state rank or are my chances gone because of my rank slipping below first, given my school usually has 10 band 6s in advanced math give or take every year.

 

[igor9]

nah mate u gotta be 1st in yo school, to even have a sliver of a chance brev

 

[Demons]

For context I came 2nd or 3rd overall for my internals out of 40 students in a 200-ish ranked school which gets one state rank once in a blue moon once every few years or so, if I get 100 or 99 raw in math advanced hsc, do I potentially have a chance to state rank or are my chances gone because of my rank slipping below first, given my school usually has 10 band 6s in advanced math give or take every year.

yea it basically is a pre-requisite to come first internally to even come close to state ranking in maths, because there's always like so many people that get raw 100's, so it's pretty much not possible, unless some sort of miracle occurs and the rest of the state does really bad, and you and the 2 people above you all pull off 100's, but that's not really gonna happen since you basically need to come first internally to come even the slightest chance to state rank.

 

[Somehumanguy]

yea it basically is a pre-requisite to come first internally to even come close to state ranking in maths, because there's always like so many people that get raw 100's, so it's pretty much not possible, unless some sort of miracle occurs and the rest of the state does really bad, and you and the 2 people above you all pull off 100's, but that's not really gonna happen since you basically need to come first internally to come even the slightest chance to state rank.

What if I get 100 raw in hsc with rank 2 in internals and rank 1 gets like a raw 98-100, does that help my chances the slightest in maybe getting a low state rank like maybe a 19 or 20.

 

[Demons]

What if I get 100 raw in hsc with rank 2 in internals and rank 1 gets like a raw 98-100, does that help my chances the slightest in maybe getting a low state rank like maybe a 19 or 20.

depends on how close you are to rank 1 internally, if you are like only a few decimal places away from rank 1 then it's possible but if you're anything above 2 or 3 marks away then it won't help to get the state rank.

EDIT: This is because of moderation and how it takes into account the mark differences between the ranks.

EDIT: it still won't help because state ranks consider the decimal place differences not entire marks, so rank 20 could be a person who got 99.5% on the HSC

 

[Somehumanguy]

depends on how close you are to rank 1 internally, if you are like only a few decimal places away from rank 1 then it's possible but if you're anything above 2 or 3 marks away then it won't help to get the state rank.

EDIT: This is because of moderation and how it takes into account the mark differences between the ranks.

Welp that’s tragic, rank 1 is some yr 11 acceleration kid who’s prolly gonna do 4u most likely so he probably doesn’t care ab getting 100 in 2u since it won’t go to his atar if he does 4u which I’m pretty confident he will.

 

[igor9]

Welp that’s tragic, rank 1 is some yr 11 acceleration kid who’s prolly gonna do 4u most likely so he probably doesn’t care ab getting 100 in 2u since it won’t go to his atar if he does 4u which I’m pretty confident he will.

rip bud but who cares bro u get the 99.95 atar contribution anyways

 

[ButteryNucleotide]

depends on how close you are to rank 1 internally, if you are like only a few decimal places away from rank 1 then it's possible but if you're anything above 2 or 3 marks away then it won't help to get the state rank.

EDIT: This is because of moderation and how it takes into account the mark differences between the ranks.

EDIT: it still won't help because state ranks consider the decimal place differences not entire marks, so rank 20 could be a person who got 99.5% on the HSC

wait so even if ur rank 1, u still have to make sure ur internal mark/grade is as high as possible??

 

[Demons]

wait so even if ur rank 1, u still have to make sure ur internal mark/grade is as high as possible??

Not if you are rank 1 since through the moderation process you will get the highest mark in your cohort as your assessment(internal mark), this means that you don't have to have the highest possible internal mark. You could be rank 1 with a overall mark of 90%, but if by some miracle(hard studying), you pull off a raw 100 in the exam, that means that both your internal mark and external hsc mark will be 100% which means that you will have a HSC mark of 100 putting you in a strong position for a state rank.

Main thing to note here is that you want to try distinguish yourself as a outlier if you go to a low rank school.

 

[ShhQuietPlease]

I think rank 1 helps but its not a prerequisite. (Source: I was rank 3 doing accelerated 2U and got 5th in state).

I do get that you're worried that your school might drag you down. I'd just say that its out of your control and as long as you try your hardest, you can make it

 

[ButteryNucleotide]

Not if you are rank 1 since through the moderation process you will get the highest mark in your cohort as your assessment(internal mark), this means that you don't have to have the highest possible internal mark. You could be rank 1 with a overall mark of 90%, but if by some miracle(hard studying), you pull off a raw 100 in the exam, that means that both your internal mark and external hsc mark will be 100% which means that you will have a HSC mark of 100 putting you in a strong position for a state rank.

Main thing to note here is that you want to try distinguish yourself as a outlier if you go to a low rank school.

do yk how much of a difference is needed to be an outlier or is it just random?

 

[StudyNotesTips]

For context I came 2nd or 3rd overall for my internals out of 40 students in a 200-ish ranked school which gets one state rank once in a blue moon once every few years or so, if I get 100 or 99 raw in math advanced hsc, do I potentially have a chance to state rank or are my chances gone because of my rank slipping below first, given my school usually has 10 band 6s in advanced math give or take every year.

You still have a chance to state rank, even if you're not ranked first internally! Here's why:

1. HSC Exam Marks Matter More for State Ranking: State rankings are determined by your external HSC exam mark, not your internal rank. So if you perform exceptionally well in the final exam (like scoring 99 or 100 raw), you can still beat others in the state even if your internal rank isn't first.
2. Moderation Process: Your internal rank will moderate your internal marks, but as long as your cohort performs well overall (which seems likely with your school's track record of around 10 Band 6s in Advanced Math), this won’t pull you down too much.
3. Historical Performance: Given your school’s history of producing Band 6s and occasionally a state rank, it's possible. You’re in a competitive environment, but being second or third in a high-achieving group still puts you in a solid position.

So, if you absolutely crush the HSC exam and score 99-100 raw, you're definitely in the running for a state rank! Focus on perfecting your exam technique and keep aiming high. You've got a shot.

 

[Demons]

do yk how much of a difference is needed to be an outlier or is it just random?

Depends on your cohort. If your cohort is weak then a large amount but if they are relatively strong you don’t need to worry about being a outlier cause you will drag each other up

 

[Somehumanguy]

I think rank 1 helps but its not a prerequisite. (Source: I was rank 3 doing accelerated 2U and got 5th in state).

I do get that you're worried that your school might drag you down. I'd just say that its out of your control and as long as you try your hardest, you can make it

Did you go to a rly smart or private school or were you in a similar situation to mine?

 

[Somehumanguy]

You still have a chance to state rank, even if you're not ranked first internally! Here's why:

1. HSC Exam Marks Matter More for State Ranking: State rankings are determined by your external HSC exam mark, not your internal rank. So if you perform exceptionally well in the final exam (like scoring 99 or 100 raw), you can still beat others in the state even if your internal rank isn't first.
2. Moderation Process: Your internal rank will moderate your internal marks, but as long as your cohort performs well overall (which seems likely with your school's track record of around 10 Band 6s in Advanced Math), this won’t pull you down too much.
3. Historical Performance: Given your school’s history of producing Band 6s and occasionally a state rank, it's possible. You’re in a competitive environment, but being second or third in a high-achieving group still puts you in a solid position.

So, if you absolutely crush the HSC exam and score 99-100 raw, you're definitely in the running for a state rank! Focus on perfecting your exam technique and keep aiming high. You've got a shot.

That’s great to hear, for a bit more context, my school got a total of 2 state ranks since 2016.

 

[Somehumanguy]

rip bud but who cares bro u get the 99.95 atar contribution anyways

that’s also true, win win situation I guess.