Is it true that... (2 Viewers)

[acemusic415]

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[effylove]

im from the north shore area and yes u do get a few ppl who'll look down on you for those reasons although most of us just make jokes such not wanting to go to the west cos we dont want to get stabbed etc (kinda like the deal with racism, everybody makes racist jokes etc but actual racists are rare)

yeah basically that, and those kinds of jokes have more to do with immaturity than any actual prejudices

anyway yes there are people like that but it's no real loss to you
why would you want to be friends with someone so sheltered and warped in the mind, to the extent that they believe regions dictate one's character

 

[effylove]

That is true... to some extent.

explain

 

[Carrotsticks]

That is true... to some extent.

 

[Bored_of_HSC]

Cabramatta 2166 rep.

Hardcore 5T Viet Gangstarrrrr. (keeping in line with this thread)

 

[Bored_of_HSC]

If an individual is to live in a region surrounded by violence, terror, fear...how will that influence the individual? The individual may either become like the violent people in his region..... or mentally break.

Lol mate. Individuals aren't influenced to that extent. How much time do you spend on the street? Family/educational/ethnic(don't kill me)/cultural influences are much more prevalent.

In the end: People are shit.

 

[inJust]

If an individual is to live in a region surrounded by violence, terror, fear...how will that influence the individual? The individual may either become like the violent people in his region..... or mentally break.

Now you're stereotyping that we're all stupid and are conformists.

 

[demonduckofdoom]

Sounds like these are people who honestly don't know how to socialise and will always be within their little circle, and will probably never move out of the suburb they were raised in.

Just gotta lol at those people though. Going to not make friends with someone because they live in a different suburb from you. Wow, grow up. Like I said in the USYD vs UNSW thread, they're going to get a shock when they get out into the workplace and have to deal with all sorts of people, from all the place. Who knows, maybe their boss will be a Westie.
Unless they work for mummykins and daddydums when they leave uni..or network with their 'own kind'.

 

[effylove]

If an individual is to live in a region surrounded by violence, terror, fear...how will that influence the individual? The individual may either become like the violent people in his region..... or mentally break.

so what you're saying is you like to make broad assumptions and lack an understanding of people and the world

 

[Demento1]

The neighbouring person on the street is equally important as the wealthy person. Both should treat each other with respect. The majority of people will adhere to that, but unfortunately there are always a few people who will make others' life a misery and it's best to just ignore what they say and don't give in to the comments as it could result in violence.

 

[alstah]

2145 Toongabbie Pride

I'm going to USyd (Arts/Law) and I honestly won't care one bit what people think. At the most, it'd serve as motivation for me to do the best I can possibly do.

 

[Shadowdude]

I have some support to my broad assumption.

Is it true that many Australian soldiers who fought in the Vietnam War suffered (and maybe are still suffering) from posttraumatic stress disorder (a form of mental instability)?

Yes, but that's not the same thing as living in a certain place. The PTSD is mostly from seeing people being killed and maimed, and from doing 'soldier' work.

EDIT: While I can see your point, I don't think that sort of 'region shapes a person' happens strongly or often enough to assume it's true always and be right most of the time.

 

[Shadowdude]

Okay fine, we'll use your metaphor. So some soldiers in Vietnam came home and were later diagnosed with PTSD.

Are we then to assume that because a soldier fought in the Vietnam war, we can safely assume PTSD?

I don't think so.

So again, I see your point - yes, our environment influences us - but again I think we're getting away from the real point of contention, which is: "Can we assume certain traits of a person who has lived in a certain environment?" and I think the answer to that is, overall and in general - no.

 

[Kittenslayer]

punch on

 

[Bored_of_HSC]

Okay fine, we'll use your metaphor. So some soldiers in Vietnam came home and were later diagnosed with PTSD.

Are we then to assume that because a soldier fought in the Vietnam war, we can safely assume PTSD?

I don't think so.

So again, I see your point - yes, our environment influences us - but again I think we're getting away from the real point of contention, which is: "Can we assume certain traits of a person who has lived in a certain environment?" and I think the answer to that is, overall and in general - no.

We can't assume a person definitely has a certain trait due to certain environment....but we can assume the possibility of certain traits to develop within the individual due to certain environment... but of course, we can't assume 100%...


EDIT: In my previous posts, I did use words such as "likely" and "may" to indicate the uncertainly.

You're both arguing the same point lol.

 

[effylove]

this topic is deviating and becoming pointless/annoying so i'm going to leave it at this:

you can agree that: if an individual is raised in an unfavourable environment their future is not 'doomed' nor their character determined in every case because they still contain an independent mind, will and choice to either learn from experience and improve/grow, and not necessarily 'crumble' as to assume so would indicate stupidity/ignorance/an unfavourable character

WHICH
brings me back to my original point
there are people out there from the affluent suburbs that believe that 100% of the time people from 'bad' areas also turn out bad, and these people are inherently morons that you wouldn't want to associate with. just as there are people from 'less' affluent areas that believe all people from 'more' affluent suburbs are snobs and will choose not to associate with them.
anyway, i probed at you utopianradical because often people add 'to some extent' as a safe way of disguising their true belief that bad area=bad person

 

[brent012]

The irony of all of this is that the people who you are associating with and may be judging you are likely doing the same course that you are, and got a similiar ATAR. Bar a few cases where some families have connections etc. on average im sure you will end up getting similiar graduate salaries and that will only change based on the person - not where you're from. I would also argue that with the lack of private schools and coaching colleges per se at unversity the "westie" will end up doing better in university.

 

[effylove]

nah

 

[avro]

If an individual is to live in a region surrounded by violence, terror, fear...how will that influence the individual? The individual may either become like the violent people in his region..... or mentally break.

Wealthy people are associated with crime/violence/fear too. A drive-by occurred at John Ibrahim's home in Dover Heights in July. I'm sure his wealthy and affluent neighbours were perpetually influenced with the gun shots and violence that occurred. There's violence everywhere, just as there are drop-kicks everywhere. If people care where you're from, they're pretentious brats and you probably wouldn't want to be associating with them anyway. You both got the marks to be in that course, no one is better than the other.