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Is Julia Gillard a socialist? (1 Viewer)

Is Julia Gillard a socialist?

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Is Julia Gillard a socialist? Julia Gillard believes in higher taxation for high income earners, carbon taxes, mining taxes, flood taxes, increased funding for education and health, supports the National Disability Insurance Scheme, means testing the private health insurance rebate, wanted to tightly regulate the media and believes in climate change.

Socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
 
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*Large image from the Socialist Forum*

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If that's what she used to be, then she's strayed far from socialism. She's been pushing Labor further to the right like her predecessors before her.
 

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Julia Gillard is dying of shame because of her carbon tax. She is a parasite. I vote Labor but I hate Julia Gillard.
 

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Because of Julia Gillard people who always voted Labor voted Liberal. She let que jumping illegals (asylum seekers) into the country and is responsible for the riots that asylum seekers engaged in. Julia Gillard was a soft touch on border protection. In 2011 if an election was held then I would have voted Liberal.
 

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The real Julia is true to her socialist forum past
Source The Australian
WHEN Lateline host Tony Jones asked then deputy opposition leader Julia Gillard about her involvement in the Socialist Forum, she said, "I did clerical and administrative work, Tony. This is so long ago. It's the days before modern computers and the internet, in the days where if you wanted to put out a meeting notice to people you wouldn't send an email, you'd get out an envelope and put it in your IBM electric typewriter and type up the address and then get the next one."
You would never see Kim Beazley, Simon Crean or Kevin Rudd trying to defend an extreme left past in this obfuscating manner. You would never see any modern Labor leader of substance and popular support trying to hide a key part of their political formation.
They simply would not have made the mistake, even early on, of peddling extreme left-wing agendas.
The carbon tax fits Gillard to a T because it matches the policy calls she promoted in the early 1990s as she was about to emerge on the national political stage as a very left-wing MP.
She was not simply typing addresses on envelopes, a response that degrades her serious contribution as officially noted in publisher credits as a Socialist Forum representative on the editorial committee. She is not thanked for her typing or clerical skills. She is in the main editorial game for a series of publications that set out extreme policy strategies from the Left.
Only a few years before entering parliament, Gillard was an active force in promoting radical ideas that no other Labor leader worth their salt would have countenanced even from their cradle.
For example, one of the Gillard (editorial committee) titles, The Greening of the Red, a recipe for left-wing totalitarian control via environmental activism, calls for re-regulating the exchange rate, reintroducing tariffs and reducing imports and foreign investment.
In view of Gillard and the Greens' recent stirring about the media that coincided with disagreeable (to them) coverage, it is wise to heed what Gillard and others in the Socialist Forum wanted the media to look like in this country. They advocated public funding for media outlets to be run by co-ops and community groups rather than businesspeople, on a non-profit basis.
There would be partial public funding of publications by small groups whose views would not otherwise be heard. (Extreme candidates come to mind.)
Commercial broadcasting and advertising would be phased out in long-term anti-consumerist programs by governments. This was in order to create a tide of red-green values that would become a successor to democracy.
The following quote reveals the extent of social engineering these lefties believe in: "Mechanisms which have been proposed for value change range from enhancement of 'green' education to revival of those religions which respect Nature.
"Fundamental reconstruction is required in our cultural consciousness and information systems for the longer term, though beginning as soon as governments can be talked into commencing the necessary reforms." (Page 120, The Greening of the Red)
The author notes that "print and electronic media are also crucial channels for conveying information or attitudes, but in most Western countries these are business-dominated, resulting in gross inequalities and influence. Australia is arguably the worst case in the West, with the main mass media being dominated by two billionaires."
There are absurd offerings, such as the recommendation to put duties on luxury goods, energy imports and "products deemed unnecessarily consumerist".
Their wish list includes an overseas shipping line, restrictions on new loan raising by private (and public) enterprise, directional control over the investments of financial institutions and no tax concessions for corporate debt.
These are the economic prescriptions advocated by Gillard and her socialist chums. They were ridiculous then, as they are ridiculous now.
Australians are scratching their heads to work out how we have arrived at our current destination: a nanny-state land where competitiveness is eroded by taxes, public funds are disastrously wasted and the Greens rule, not OK.
Perhaps the destination was set by the path Gillard and co took in their political formation, a path sensibly eschewed by other Labor leaders.
If only Gillard had taken her own advice about not writing (and why not include editing and publishing?) crap.
 

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Julia Gillard is toxic
Source: News Ltd
In a pamphlet from the mid-1980s, Ms Gillard describes herself as a "socialist and a feminist" and someone who joined the ALP at 16.
"Contrary to what may have been suggested, Socialist Forum is not a secret organisation nor is it a sub-caucus with the Socialist Left," Ms Gillard says in the pamphlet.
"The members of the forum are drawn from varied backgrounds. Around 45 of the forum's members left the Communist Party of Australia in the division of a year ago and about 80 are members of the ALP. The largest group are not members of any political party."
The 200-plus member forum sought to influence Bob Hawke's Labor government, especially on foreign and economic policy, through the free discussion of ideas.
One key document is the 1985 "Pine Gap - Planning a Strategy", drafted by Philip Hind, who recommends a long-term policy of abrogating the ANZUS Treaty, removing Pine Gap and eventually closing all US bases.
Mr Hind visited the former Soviet Union and came back praising the reforms of president Mikhail Gorbachev. He recommended stronger ties with the USSR, including making Melbourne a sister city of Leningrad (now St Petersburg).
The archive also reveals the forum's debate over tax policy was based on a Communist Party tax pamphlet titled "A Case for Radical Tax Reform".
"We argue that there is only one effective way to reform the tax system, by a sweeping redistribution of the tax burden which now hits hardest at low and middle-income earners," the pamphlet says.
Health Minister Tony Abbott has accused Ms Gillard of erasing her radical past and her links to the forum.
Yesterday, Ms Gillard said she could not remember the forum discussing radical policies. "It did not adopt policy positions and I don't remember any of the papers being referred to," she said.
 

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Funkshen are you a conservative? Who do you vote for in the federal election?
 

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i voted for the volksblock der inflationsgeschädigten
 

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Funkshen are you a social democrat. Who do you prefer Labor or Liberal in the federal election in Australia? Which party did you vote for in the 2013 federal election?
 

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Funkshen are you a social democrat. Who do you prefer Labor or Liberal in the federal election in Australia? Which party did you vote for in the 2013 federal election?
no, i voted for the kampffront schwarz-weiß-rot
 

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I'll say this much.

Sathius005, you're the biggest idiot on this whole forum. Like, this WHOLE FUCKING FORUM.
 

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I'll say this much.

Sathius005, you're the biggest idiot on this whole forum. Like, this WHOLE FUCKING FORUM.
No, he is not an idiot. He is a Bachelor of Business student at UTS. UTS is a top five per cent business school in the world. He has have achieved an average mark of 50.3 per cent in Bachelor of Business. He came first in Business Law and Ethics at UTS Law school with High Distinction. UTS Law is a top one per cent law school in the world. Others have described him as "the foremost sage of our era".
 

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No, he is not an idiot. He is a Bachelor of Business student at UTS. UTS is a top five per cent business school in the world. He has have achieved an average mark of 50.3 per cent in Bachelor of Business. He came first in Business Law and Ethics at UTS Law school with High Distinction. UTS Law is a top one per cent law school in the world. Others have described him as "the foremost sage of our era".
I would rep... But I can't :(
 

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No, he is not an idiot. He is a Bachelor of Business student at UTS. UTS is a top five per cent business school in the world. He has have achieved an average mark of 50.3 per cent in Bachelor of Business. He came first in Business Law and Ethics at UTS Law school with High Distinction. UTS Law is a top one per cent law school in the world. Others have described him as "the foremost sage of our era".
Bahahahahaha.

I wonder why so many people are so negative about Sathius?

You should be thankful that he places random political debates on here.
Personally, I don't care much for politics, but whatevs.
 

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I'll say this much.

Sathius005, you're the biggest idiot on this whole forum. Like, this WHOLE FUCKING FORUM.
Maybe something is genuinely wrong with him, I mean he is making multiple posts with articles from News Limited. Of all sources he decides to use News Limited papers, because they're paving the future for unbias news and all.
 

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Bahahahahaha.

I wonder why so many people are so negative about Sathius?

You should be thankful that he places random political debates on here.
Personally, I don't care much for politics, but whatevs.
Pretty much because he posts the same shit again, again and again.
 

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Pretty much because he posts the same shit again, again and again.
Ahh ok.

So he ROTE learns politics bahahaha.

The funny thing is, all of his threads end up being unrelated to the original discussion, because we always discuss his credibility lol.

Maybe that's why he repetitively posts them.
 

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