Is sex with someone who is intoxicated rape/sexual assault? (2 Viewers)

[Annihilist]

i can force myself onto any woman and they'll always want to have sex with me so its impossible for me to rape somebody

Here you go. I think you may relate to this.

 

[Shadowdude]

i can force myself onto any woman and they'll always want to have sex with me so its impossible for me to rape somebody

woah really

give me some tips broski

 

[mirakon]

Lol

One would think after 100+ posts we would have established penile insertion into the orifice of someone who doesn't express they want said penis there is rape

 

[funkshen]

Lol

One would think after 100+ posts we would have established penile insertion into the orifice of someone who doesn't express they want said penis there is rape

what if her eyes said yes but she said?

 

[Lolsmith]

what if her eyes said yes but she said?

you accidentally a word there

yes this raises an interesting point

technically deckard raped a robot

but can robots be raped, insofar as they aren't people but are objects

MORE IMPORTANTLY

can robots rape other robots

 

[funkshen]

do you mean an intelligent robot, or just a machine?

can an intelligent robot purpose built for sex be raped?

i know i've definitely been raped by intelligent robots before.

 

[Lolsmith]

I think we're stepping into some murky territory when we start defining robots as anything other than merely robots. "Intelligent" robot implies that it has some sort of sentience and thereby the same basic rights as humans. Should we give robots rights? Why?

I don't think an intelligent robot built for sex would be programmed to have issues with consent

You should report that

 

[funkshen]

i did but my pastor says i must be lying

 

[Shadowdude]

/wants advice on how to force himself onto wimmin

missing the important bit: "and they'll always want to have sex with me "

 

[ascentyx]

A man is a rape-supporter if…

He has ever sexually engaged with any woman while she was underage, drunk, high, physically restrained, unconscious, or subjected to psychological, physical, economic, or emotional coercion.
He defends the current legal definition of rape and/or opposes making consent a defense.
He has accused a rape victim of having “buyer’s remorse” or wanting to get money from the man.
He has blamed a woman for “putting herself in a situation” where she “could be” attacked.
He has procured a prostitute.
He characterizes prostitution as a “legitimate” “job” “choice” or defends men who purchase prostitutes.
He has ever revealed he conceives of sex as fundamentally transactional.
He has gone to a strip club.
He is anti-abortion.
He is pro-”choice” because he believes abortion access will make women more sexually available.
He frames discussions of pornography in terms of “freedom of speech.”
He watches pornography in which women are depicted.
He watches any pornography in which sexual acts are depicted as a struggle for power or domination, regardless of whether women are present.
He characterizes the self-sexualizing behavior of some women, such as wearing make-up or high heels, as evidence of women’s desire to “get” a man.
He tells or laughs at jokes involving women being attacked, sexually “hoodwinked,” or sexually harassed.
He expresses enjoyment of movies/musicals/TV shows/plays in which women are sexually demeaned or presented as sexual objects
He mocks women who complain about sexual attacks, sexual harassment, street cat-calls, media depictions of women, or other forms of sexual objectification.
He supports sexual “liberation” and claims women would have more sex with (more) men if society did not “inhibit” them.
He states or implies that women who do not want to have sex with men are “inhibited,” “prudes,” “stuck-up,” “man-haters,” or psychologically ill.
He argues that certain male behaviors towards women are “cultural” and therefore not legitimate subjects of feminist attention.
He ever subordinates the interests of women in a given population to the interests of the men in that population, or proceeds in discussions as if the interests of the women are the same as the interests of the men.
He promotes religious or philosophical views in which a woman’s physical/psychological/emotional/sexual well-being is subordinated to a man’s.
He describes female anatomy in terms of penetration, or uses terms referencing the supposed “emptiness” of female anatomy when describing women.
He defends the physical abuse of women on the grounds of “consent.”
He defends the sexualization or sexual abuse of minor females on the grounds of “consent” or “willingness.”
He promotes the idea that women as a class are happier or more fulfilled if they have children, or that they “should” have children.
He argues that people (or just “men”) have sexual “needs.”
He discusses the “types” of women he finds sexually appealing and/or attempts to demean women by telling them he does not find them sexually appealing.
He sexually objectifies lesbians or lesbian sexual activity.
He defends these actions by saying that some women also engage in them.


lolololol

 

[I Study Hard]

Outside of social and individual coercion, I would never have “chosen” to have sex with men. That is not to say that I would never have experienced genital arousal in men’s presence, although I suspect that much of that response is also conditioned. It is only to say that the act of allowing a man to penetrate my body with his penis or fingers or anything else really would never have occurred me, certainly not with any sense of pleasure.

I was not what one might consider a sheltered child. My mother was always very frank about sex and reproduction. I knew that men had penises and women had vaginas from a very young age. However, I did not associate this knowledge with my own sensations of genital arousal. Despite knowing that I must also have a vagina, I never thought about nor was I even really physically aware of my internal reproductive anatomy until I began bleeding out of it. It never occurred to me that the act of a man putting his penis inside a vagina had anything whatsoever to do with pleasure, since I never required a penis to get pleasure out of my genitals (I didn’t know the word ‘vulva’ until I was in my teens, but that is the only part of my genitals I actually was aware of). I assumed intercourse was something people only did if and when they wanted children.

By the time I began “consenting” to intercourse, I had been thoroughly brainwashed, by the culture in general and by specific males in particular.

I do not consider the “consent” I gave while under patriarchal delusions to have been legitimate. I believe that the males who took advantage of my training have as much responsibility to ensure that a woman is not submitting out of culturally instilled obligation as they do to ensure that she isn’t drunk or otherwise unable to give meaningful consent. But I understand that males will never behave in a manner that reduces the pool of “willing” women.

This is what makes men rapists. They will use any pretense as sufficient proof of consent, when the truth is that consent is impossible under patriarchy. That men and male-identified women continue to harp on the unverified existence of a few women on the planet who would seek out penile intercourse (which puts them at higher risk of STD’s than men, while simultaneously putting them at risk for pregnancy) in the absence of any training toward an obligation to engage in heterosexual PIV intercourse, is ridiculous to me. It’s not as if the men fucking those famed and fabled born-to-let-men-masturbate-into-them women aren’t also fucking a lot of women who’d reject them out of hand if not for the brainwashing.

A man’s not being a rapist in one highly unlikely circumstance (fucking a woman whose consent is not mitigated by social/individual coercion) doesn’t have anything to do with whether or not he’s a rapist in other more likely circumstances (that the woman he’s fucking is “consenting” to it out of obligation - to social norms or to economic interests). Because I believe the number of women not affected by socialization when making the decision to fuck men is very low, and because I believe that the men who are fucking those rare women are also likely to be fucking or to have fucked women who undeniably *are* affected by social training, I feel quite safe in saying that all men are rapists.

All men are rapists.

I think you're forgetting something very important in that big wall of text...Some women actually enjoy having sex.

 

[pony_magician]

I think you're forgetting something very important in that big wall of text...Some women actually enjoy having sex.

yeah but where i come from they're called sluts and are sub-human

 

[Annihilist]

A man is a rape-supporter if…
He has ever sexually engaged with any woman while she was underage, drunk, high, physically restrained, unconscious, or subjected to psychological, physical, economic, or emotional coercion.
He defends the current legal definition of rape and/or opposes making consent a defense.
He has accused a rape victim of having “buyer’s remorse” or wanting to get money from the man.
He has blamed a woman for “putting herself in a situation” where she “could be” attacked.
He has procured a prostitute.
He characterizes prostitution as a “legitimate” “job” “choice” or defends men who purchase prostitutes.
He has ever revealed he conceives of sex as fundamentally transactional.
He has gone to a strip club.
He is anti-abortion.
He is pro-”choice” because he believes abortion access will make women more sexually available.
He frames discussions of pornography in terms of “freedom of speech.”
He watches pornography in which women are depicted.
He watches any pornography in which sexual acts are depicted as a struggle for power or domination, regardless of whether women are present.
He characterizes the self-sexualizing behavior of some women, such as wearing make-up or high heels, as evidence of women’s desire to “get” a man.
He tells or laughs at jokes involving women being attacked, sexually “hoodwinked,” or sexually harassed.
He expresses enjoyment of movies/musicals/TV shows/plays in which women are sexually demeaned or presented as sexual objects
He mocks women who complain about sexual attacks, sexual harassment, street cat-calls, media depictions of women, or other forms of sexual objectification.
He supports sexual “liberation” and claims women would have more sex with (more) men if society did not “inhibit” them.
He states or implies that women who do not want to have sex with men are “inhibited,” “prudes,” “stuck-up,” “man-haters,” or psychologically ill.
He argues that certain male behaviors towards women are “cultural” and therefore not legitimate subjects of feminist attention.
He ever subordinates the interests of women in a given population to the interests of the men in that population, or proceeds in discussions as if the interests of the women are the same as the interests of the men.
He promotes religious or philosophical views in which a woman’s physical/psychological/emotional/sexual well-being is subordinated to a man’s.
He describes female anatomy in terms of penetration, or uses terms referencing the supposed “emptiness” of female anatomy when describing women.
He defends the physical abuse of women on the grounds of “consent.”
He defends the sexualization or sexual abuse of minor females on the grounds of “consent” or “willingness.”
He promotes the idea that women as a class are happier or more fulfilled if they have children, or that they “should” have children.
He argues that people (or just “men”) have sexual “needs.”
He discusses the “types” of women he finds sexually appealing and/or attempts to demean women by telling them he does not find them sexually appealing.
He sexually objectifies lesbians or lesbian sexual activity.
He defends these actions by saying that some women also engage in them.

lololololol

 

[Lolsmith]

i did but my pastor says i must be lying

are you sure it wasn't just meant to be a secret between the two of you?

People who say- "they put themselves in that position so its ok"- are merely trying to put thier conscience to rest. So yeah its rape

aren't you a Muslim?

 

[DavDav]

Just go with the flow.

 

[Annihilist]

Outside of social and individual coercion, I would never have “chosen” to have sex with men. That is not to say that I would never have experienced genital arousal in men’s presence, although I suspect that much of that response is also conditioned. It is only to say that the act of allowing a man to penetrate my body with his penis or fingers or anything else really would never have occurred me, certainly not with any sense of pleasure.

I was not what one might consider a sheltered child. My mother was always very frank about sex and reproduction. I knew that men had penises and women had vaginas from a very young age. However, I did not associate this knowledge with my own sensations of genital arousal. Despite knowing that I must also have a vagina, I never thought about nor was I even really physically aware of my internal reproductive anatomy until I began bleeding out of it. It never occurred to me that the act of a man putting his penis inside a vagina had anything whatsoever to do with pleasure, since I never required a penis to get pleasure out of my genitals (I didn’t know the word ‘vulva’ until I was in my teens, but that is the only part of my genitals I actually was aware of). I assumed intercourse was something people only did if and when they wanted children.

By the time I began “consenting” to intercourse, I had been thoroughly brainwashed, by the culture in general and by specific males in particular.

I do not consider the “consent” I gave while under patriarchal delusions to have been legitimate. I believe that the males who took advantage of my training have as much responsibility to ensure that a woman is not submitting out of culturally instilled obligation as they do to ensure that she isn’t drunk or otherwise unable to give meaningful consent. But I understand that males will never behave in a manner that reduces the pool of “willing” women.

This is what makes men rapists. They will use any pretense as sufficient proof of consent, when the truth is that consent is impossible under patriarchy. That men and male-identified women continue to harp on the unverified existence of a few women on the planet who would seek out penile intercourse (which puts them at higher risk of STD’s than men, while simultaneously putting them at risk for pregnancy) in the absence of any training toward an obligation to engage in heterosexual PIV intercourse, is ridiculous to me. It’s not as if the men fucking those famed and fabled born-to-let-men-masturbate-into-them women aren’t also fucking a lot of women who’d reject them out of hand if not for the brainwashing.

A man’s not being a rapist in one highly unlikely circumstance (fucking a woman whose consent is not mitigated by social/individual coercion) doesn’t have anything to do with whether or not he’s a rapist in other more likely circumstances (that the woman he’s fucking is “consenting” to it out of obligation - to social norms or to economic interests). Because I believe the number of women not affected by socialization when making the decision to fuck men is very low, and because I believe that the men who are fucking those rare women are also likely to be fucking or to have fucked women who undeniably *are* affected by social training, I feel quite safe in saying that all men are rapists.

All men are rapists.

I highly recommend you watch the video I linked to in an above post.

I think you will appreciate it.

 

[a c]

I highly recommend you watch the video I linked to in an above post.

I think you will appreciate it.

That video comes from the guy responsible for such gems as this:

"Yeah. Well, you deserved it. So, fuck you. I hope it happens again soon. I’m tired of being treated like shit by you mean little cunts and then you using your rape as an excuse. Fuck you. I think we should give the guy who raped you a medal. I hope you fucking drown in rape semen, you ugly, mean-spirited cow. Actually, I don’t believe you were ever raped! What man would be tasteless enough to stick his dick into a human cesspool like you? Nice gif of a turd going into my mouth. Is that kind of like the way that rapists dick went in your pussy? Or did he use your asshole? Or was it both? Maybe you should think about it really hard for the next few hours. Relive it as much as possible. You know? Try to recall: was it my pussy or my ass?"

 

[Annihilist]

That video comes from the guy responsible for such gems as this:

"Yeah. Well, you deserved it. So, fuck you. I hope it happens again soon. I’m tired of being treated like shit by you mean little cunts and then you using your rape as an excuse. Fuck you. I think we should give the guy who raped you a medal. I hope you fucking drown in rape semen, you ugly, mean-spirited cow. Actually, I don’t believe you were ever raped! What man would be tasteless enough to stick his dick into a human cesspool like you? Nice gif of a turd going into my mouth. Is that kind of like the way that rapists dick went in your pussy? Or did he use your asshole? Or was it both? Maybe you should think about it really hard for the next few hours. Relive it as much as possible. You know? Try to recall: was it my pussy or my ass?"

Hmm.

You know what? Maybe listen to what he says on this subject, rather than take something else that he says, which is not necessarily relevant to the topic at hand.

Maybe you should actually watch the video I linked, because it is relevant. I know the guy said some things which are contradictory to what he said in the video I linked on this thread.

I agree with what he said in this video, and not necessarily everything he says. If you watch that video outside the context of other shit he said I think you will understand.

 

[shravan_872]

It depends whether the decision is mutual and how drunk they both are!
If it is mutual, then its not rape but if it isn't, then it is!

 

[loapowm]

It depends whether the decision is mutual and how drunk they both are!
If it is mutual, then its not rape but if it isn't, then it is!

Because drunk idiots can sure make logical decisions