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[A Book]

no waaaaaaaaaaaaay

Are you Brain Dead?

Read bitch

Thats why no-one fucking says "In the Name of darwin"

 

[Kwayera]

Are you Brain Dead?

Read bitch

Thats why no-one fucking says "In the Name of darwin"

It's called sarcasm. I hope you're not deliberately being a dumbarse.

 

[katie tully]

Are you Brain Dead?

Read bitch

Thats why no-one fucking says "In the Name of darwin"

no waaaaaaaay

 

[whatashotbyseve]

Enjoy your holiday.

Like a book, so easy to put down.

 

[breezy221090]

Why do secular countries have higher Literacy and Education levels and lower levels of crime compared to more religious countries?

Oh that's right, because religion is the problem.

Severe over simplification.

 

[Riet]

Severe over simplification.

How so?

 

[breezy221090]

How so?

The politics of countries and the world are much more complex than that. The countries in anarchy and poverty are not that way purely because they are very religious nor are affluent countries affluent due to their sectarian nature.

 

[RogueAcademic]

Well, it's their holy book. They should and and are responsible for what it says, if they follow it.

No one's actually taking responsibility, there isn't really any particular known author or editor. It's all supposed to be an over-arching 'word of god'. The problem with following so-called scriptures is that they are permeated and tainted by the manipulations of the common man. The Christians attacked the idea of worshipping false gods, well to worship a book is just as false and misleading as well.

You were saying that the people who interpret the book are at fault

I've said right at the very start that it's human stupidity that distorts what religion is about. Who wrote the bible? Certainly not God or Jesus. It's humans. Stupid humans. Look at the history of the Protestant movement and the Protestant bible, it's all distorted, tainted and man-made.

Besides wich, who wrote the book is irrelevant. Doesn't matter whether it was Jesus, Bill next door or fucking Zeus. Still doesn't change the fact that either most of the world's nutjobs are following it or it's a screwed up text.

I agree with that.

We're not debating spiritualism, moron. I never even argued that definition.
We're talking about how fucked up organised religion is

See, that's why so many people are missing the point about what religion is supposed to be about. Religion is essentially about spiritualism. Stupid humans institutionalised religion, and they fucked it up.

 

[beve]

See, that's why so many people are missing the point about what religion is supposed to be about. Religion is essentially about spiritualism. Stupid humans institutionalised religion, and they fucked it up.

so much win.

 

[Omie Jay]

 

[overRun]

Always trying to Blame Islam.

 

[overRun]

u dont even know its islamic extremist who caused this they are just assuming.

NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING.

ANYWAY WE WILL FIND OUT WHO IS THE REAL CULPRITS SOON.

 

[SylviaB]

It's extremists sects within particular religions.

Then again you have radical atheists who assault, rape and murder.

Stupid atheism...or is it better to say stupid human stupidity?

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Just, no. Stop talking now.

 

[moll.]

So... 1000 x 365 is 3.65 million. 3.65 million people are killed every year by Americans?

Hey tully, nice maths.
Try again.

By the way Schroe, I've kinda stolen the use of that emoticon off of you. Soz beb.

 

[katie tully]

Hey tully, nice maths.
Try again.

By the way Schroe, I've kinda stolen the use of that emoticon off of you. Soz beb.

stfu stfu stfu

 

[moll.]

The politics of countries and the world are much more complex than that. The countries in anarchy and poverty are not that way purely because they are very religious nor are affluent countries affluent due to their sectarian nature.

But there is an amusing and interesting correlation between the two. Coincidence? Not bloody likely.

 

[A High Way Man]

If we provoke Muslims into doing this, they will be completely marginalized and we can potentially save millions of lives by finally eradicating Islam at the cost of a few tr33s, assuming that the Government is thinking what I am thinkign

 

[moll.]

By saying religion as a base is at fault for, what was it? The majority of the worlds problems? You're showing how little you've really either examined or understood the world's social issues. It's funny that you're talking about all the atheists who as a majority don't commit crimes and all the religious people who do. How often do cases arise with people of sound mind who say "I committed fraud in the name of Abraham" or "I raped that women because I read that I should in the bible." We also need to consider the good things religion achieves; the charity organisations, giving purpose and meaning ( for some people) etc. See it is not religion that is faulty, nor the lack of it. Religious people read a holy book and believe the things and interpret them in a way that suits them. The same way an atheist may be raised by his parents or be taught things a school and only follow those things which suit him. Religion is often used as a justification, but it's not the only justification used for crime or problems.

For the points about charity and emotional needs, we have suitable substitutes of similar effect, namely humanism and non-denominational spiritualism. However, there is no greater or even similar motivator for acts of terrorism and war than ideoligical deifferences, with religion naturally topping the list of ideologies. Let's think back for the past 50 years and identify which wars would not have been there if it weren't for the ideological (esp. religious) differences on each side:
Well of course Afghanistan and the War on Terror wouldn't exist.
Iraq would have had no justification.
The Israeli-Palestinain conflict wouldn't occur because there is literally no difference between them except for religion.
The Sri Lankan Civil War would have been impossible without religion to divide them into Hindus and Buddhists.
India and Pakistan would still be one country.
Somalia would not be ripped apart by an Islamist insurgency.
The Balkans would have been silent.
The Iran-Iraq War wouldn't have occured because there would have been no Islamic Revolution in Tehran.
Vietnam would not have been split into Communist North and Liberal South.
The Six-Day War would never have occured.
The Soviets would never have gotten involved in Afghanistan but for the Islamists.
The Korean Peninsular would never have been divided and war wouldn't have broken out.
Hell, even the Second World War may never have occured, but for ideology.

So this leaves us with the Gulf War and the Central African conflict. Wow.

 

[breezy221090]

For the points about charity and emotional needs, we have suitable substitutes of similar effect, namely humanism and non-denominational spiritualism. However, there is no greater or even similar motivator for acts of terrorism and war than ideoligical deifferences, with religion naturally topping the list of ideologies. Let's think back for the past 50 years and identify which wars would not have been there if it weren't for the ideological (esp. religious) differences on each side:
Well of course Afghanistan and the War on Terror wouldn't exist.
Iraq would have had no justification.
The Israeli-Palestinain conflict wouldn't occur because there is literally no difference between them except for religion.
The Sri Lankan Civil War would have been impossible without religion to divide them into Hindus and Buddhists.
India and Pakistan would still be one country.
Somalia would not be ripped apart by an Islamist insurgency.
The Balkans would have been silent.
The Iran-Iraq War wouldn't have occured because there would have been no Islamic Revolution in Tehran.
Vietnam would not have been split into Communist North and Liberal South.
The Six-Day War would never have occured.
The Soviets would never have gotten involved in Afghanistan but for the Islamists.
The Korean Peninsular would never have been divided and war wouldn't have broken out.
Hell, even the Second World War may never have occured, but for ideology.

So this leaves us with the Gulf War and the Central African conflict. Wow.
World War One

I'll start by saying that my statements were made in response to someones comment that religion is basically the complete source of societies problems and my arguments are structured in response to that.
I can't comment on all the wars you made reference to because I don't know the details of all of them.
But for starters, the American government wanted to invade Iraq, and had 9/11 not happened they would have found another excuse to do so.
I could go onto the several other conflicts on your list which I am informed about but it probably wont be to any benefit.
But I'll just ask this, there are civil wars going on in many countries in the world, some of which are related to religion. But what about the wars for resources and money. You can't blame religion for greed, and greed is as big a source of the world's problem's as religion is.

And also we're talking religion not ideology. Unless you're trying to say that religion is ideology, but the source of problems is in religion as an institution more than it is the ideologies of religion.

Sorry I just read your second world war comment. In which Holy Book did Hitler read that people with blue eyes and blonde hair were supreme beings and that Jews were evil and should be tortured and slaughtered?

 

[moll.]

I'll start by saying that my statements were made in response to someones comment that religion is basically the complete source of societies problems and my arguments are structured in response to that.
I can't comment on all the wars you made reference to because I don't know the details of all of them.
But for starters, the American government wanted to invade Iraq, and had 9/11 not happened they would have found another excuse to do so.
I could go onto the several other conflicts on your list which I am informed about but it probably wont be to any benefit.

No, Bush and his Evangelical, neo-conservative cronies wanted to invade Iraq. The only reason they were allowed to get away with it is because the American public was largely divided upon the issue. So whilst the people debated amongst themselves, Bush went ahead and did it anyway.
Do you honestly think that he could have invaded Iraq if only a fraction of the population had supported his blatant warmongering? Of course not. The 95% of the populace opposed would have been up in arms. That's part of the beauty of a democracy. Nowadays, whenever a politician wants to go to war, he needs popular approval from a significantly large portion of the citizens. If not, then the bicarmel system of representation stops him eventually.

But I'll just ask this, there are civil wars going on in many countries in the world, some of which are related to religion. But what about the wars for resources and money. You can't blame religion for greed, and greed is as big a source of the world's problem's as religion is.

Ah, but you're missing the bigger picture.
Tell me, what inspires one to follow a religion blindly to ones death? Because it's incredibly hard to trick a man (for example) into strapping a bomb vest to himself and then exploding it in public. So he must have been convinced to do so. But how? There must be a reason behind this, even if it may appear illogical to our more objective eyes.
I'll tell you what the reason is: Greed.
Muslim martyrs are promised an eternity in Paradise in exchange for their lives. Christian conquerers vanquished and converted the natives on every continent to gain favour from their God. Evangelicals call for the apocalypse and the end of days so as to prove their worth in the battle against the Whore of Babylon. Even devout Buddhists who abandon all forms of materialism do so in order to attain enlightenment.
All of these sacrifices appear on the surface to be selfless acts for a greater good. However, after a little scrutiny, all of these acts show themselves to be just another form of greed.
So greed is not as big or a bigger problem in the world than religion. It's the only problem. Religion is just one of the many guises it takes.

And also we're talking religion not ideology. Unless you're trying to say that religion is ideology, but the source of problems is in religion as an institution more than it is the ideologies of religion.

Religion is ideology. They're one and the same. Only difference between religion and political ideology is that one works in the realm of the supernatural, whereas the other normally works within the realms of human society.
Also, the institutions are based upon the ideology of the religion, so depending upon where you want to point the finger of blame it can be either. Or in my case, both.

Sorry I just read your second world war comment. In which Holy Book did Hitler read that people with blue eyes and blonde hair were supreme beings and that Jews were evil and should be tortured and slaughtered?

Try looking in John. Intolerence in the Book of John
It also helps that the Germans elected a psychopath.