Israel attacks Lebanon (6 Viewers)

[Jordan.J]

you my friend are a walking logical fallacy

stop appealing to emotion and get a real argument going to support your stance. We all know kids get killed in war, so do old grannies, mothers fathers and disabled people. Thats one of the prices of a war with civilian casualites. These civilian casualties are unavoidable thanks to hezzbollah's tactics of hiding his troops in civilian areas. Why have hospitals been hit? because terrorists hide in them. Same goes for churches and graveyards.

Do you think their aim is to kill innocents? no ofcourse not. All the Israelis want to do is live in peace without fear of rockets being fired [indescriminantly mind you,. making hezbollah guilty of exactly the same crimes] into their cities and their people being taken hostage and tortured.

Bad shit happens in war and war has existed as long as humanity, Its only in the last century that the horrors of it have made its way into our living rooms.

I particularly liked the picture of the little girl at the end. Why dontwe get her to ask the middle east to stop being hostile to Israel?

When you stir of the hornets nest, you get stung. simple fact of life.

Take your fascist BS somewhere else, I dont wanna hear it.

This war wont get rid of Hezbollah, Israel tried for more than 20 years and didnt do it. They wont do it in a couple of months.

The whole world knows that.

Any person with half a brain can see that, it seems as though ignorance comes from righty's like you and Jews who align with Israel with what ever they do no matter what.

Judaism and Israel arnt the same thing. Unfortunately some people are too blind to see that

 

[withoutaface]

Re: Israel vs Lebanon

I DNT CARE I LIKE CAPZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Obviously a lack of vitamin d is causing your brain to rot.

 

[withoutaface]

ahaha cowardly pigs ay? LOLLzzZz iran and syria arent all talk matee dnt u worry, all iran has to do is throw one bomb and all of israel is goneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee lmaoo

What if Israel had Syria, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon attacking them from all flanks? You think they'd collapse?

 

[jenzipoo]

ahaha cowardly pigs ay? LOLLzzZz iran and syria arent all talk matee dnt u worry, all iran has to do is throw one bomb and all of israel is goneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee lmaoo

sweety...not just lebanon, not just iran and not just syria BUT the whole entire middle east can be wiped out by israel in no time

 

[tempco]

my point?dont use these resolutions as proof when these are the very resolutions which state that israel can keep the territories (yes these territories) that they captured in 1967..in your opinion they illegal..in mine theyre not..

I never said anything about keeping captured territories. Just accept the fact that the Israeli settlements in the West Bank are illegal.

 

[withoutaface]

I never said anything about keeping captured territories. Just accept the fact that the Israeli settlements in the West Bank are illegal.

Then perhaps the arabic nations shouldn't have provoked Israel into tripling its size back in the 60s.

 

[Valeu]

gotta love your constant interchnaging of the word 'israel' and the word 'jew'..keep up the good work


mate please get this through your thick head..its a simple maths equation
the reasoning of the bombing done by israel does NOT equal the reasoning of the bombing done by hezbollah
it had eveyrhting to do with the nation of israel!! they didnt steal syrian soldiers they sure as hell didint steal iranian soldiers...another maths equation...it only leaves one more neighbour left = ISRAEL
of course israel refused a prisoner exchnage with hezbollah...the main guy they want out is one of israel's prized possesion terroritsts they caught!! they sure as hell wont release him
there is a stark difference with the situation..the reason why only (and i say only not because one life is more precious than another but when looking at the death toll in comparison it is an 'only') 30+ civilians have died is because the israeli government has evacutaed people further south or provided bomb shelters for their civilians...if not the death toll would be very similar! and the reason why you never see those 30 on the news is israel MOURNS the death of its fallen...it doesnt parade them on news stations or the internet...it doesnt need the worlds sympathy


o yes diplomatically discuss with a bunch of terrorists?? o and by the way those terrorists happen to think that you dont really exist..
iran and syria...they cowards, they would never have dreamed to attack! theyre all talk and send these brainwashed men out to fight for their greater agendas..absolute cowardly pigs! have you seen the interrogation with the one captured terrorist?? very interesting

Firstly, Hezbollah's capture of Israeli soldiers was legitimate, as the soldiers violated Lebanese borders. Using words like 'steal' implies that Hezbollah sneakily jumped into Israel and grabbed soldiers, then ran back, which is simply untrue. The mainstream media has repeated this lie extensively however.

And you believe that the wholesale bombing of Lebanon, and subsequent loss of life, was a preferable alternative to a prisoner exchange?

While Hezbollah rocket attacks on civilian areas are deplorable, you should at least accept that they were responses to Israeli provocations, particularly their initial bombing raids on Southern Beirut which resulted in mass civilian casualties. If Israel had chosen diplomacy over flexing military muscle, there would be no dead israeli civilians, no dead lebanese civilians.

And don't start with 'Hezbollah are terrorist, they can't be negotiated with'. Hezbollah initially offered a negotiated solution, which was rebuffed. Israel has never looked like seeking peace - indeed, the assault on Lebanon had already been planned for a year.

Can you prove that Hezbollah seeks the total destruction of Israel? They are a religous nationalist group born out of Lebanon's occupation by Israel, their primary goal being the expulsion of Israeli forces from Lebanon. Extrapolate from it if you want, but please link to a source that backs your claim.

Do you really believe that Hezbollah fighters in Southern Lebanon are simply serving Iranian/Syrian interests? Can you fathom that Hezbollah may be fighting out of a common Lebanese interest to be independent of Israel?

As for that video, who knows under what conditions that recording was made - it's a propaganda video for the IDF, it's status as 'reliable' should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[tempco]

Then perhaps the arabic nations shouldn't have provoked Israel into tripling its size back in the 60s.

And I agree with that. They bit on more than they could chew and this whole mess was caused (in part) by the arrogance of many Arab leaders. This still doesn't change the fact that the residential settlements in the West Bank are illegal, and that Israel should stop their development and further expansion.

 

[Comrade nathan]

Then perhaps the arabic nations shouldn't have provoked Israel into tripling its size back in the 60s.

Israel should have never came into existence. It was Israel that provoked the war.

 

[sam04u]

You learn that at a socialist allyence eleventy!!!wun!!!!111!1 meeting UNFUCK TEH WURLD MEETING?

"Martians LOVE Ice cream made from Hair! Martians created the colour purple"

I can make baseless comments with no evidence, too. God you're a gimmick.

Why do you care if the Jews have a country or not? It's not like they do anything beneficial to the worlds economy down there, all they're doing is increasing mid-east tension, causing international trade inflation (by screwing the U.S's economy, through billions in military aid), and also increasing the cost of Oil by the mid-east tensions. Also, a bombing of an Oil Rig is causing a MASSIVE environmental crisis. (I can't find an online picture, but the coast is overwhelmed with dead fish and thick oil throught 2/3 of the Lebanese coast. )

 

[sam04u]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4778163.stm
This is why I don't want to hear anything about the Islamic-Israelis.

 

[AntiHyper]

And you believe that the wholesale bombing of Lebanon, and subsequent loss of life, was a preferable alternative to a prisoner exchange?

I thought Hezbollah wants Israel to release some main/primary terrorist dudes that made the plans for the suicide bombings. If he's released it will be the same as releasing .. Amrosi (when he was still alive) and with that kind of mentality they will promote more suicide bombings.

Either way civillians will die.

 

[jenzipoo]

Firstly, Hezbollah's capture of Israeli soldiers was legitimate, as the soldiers violated Lebanese borders. Using words like 'steal' implies that Hezbollah sneakily jumped into Israel and grabbed soldiers, then ran back, which is simply untrue. The mainstream media has repeated this lie extensively however.

o really?
you twat
read the article you so kindly posted
"The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them.
The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity."

this article might have been confusing to you with its poor language and i would take the liberty of posting another article but then you would play the blame/propoganda game saying this is just western media..so i found one better
an ANTI war blogger puts in right for your slow little self
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2006/07/29/kidnapped-in-lebanon-i-think-not/

And you believe that the wholesale bombing of Lebanon, and subsequent loss of life, was a preferable alternative to a prisoner exchange?

firstly i have stated NUMEROUS times that the loss of life on both sides is a terrible, terrible tragedy..
but the deception and manipulation by hezbollah on israel's weak spot (a love of life and a love for its people) is a trick that will not be repeated..
many israelis have had to witness many of their soldiers bodies being returned for live terrorists being exchnaged!! they are veyr opposed and so is the government..
and NO i dont believe a prisoner exhcnage would have been better! i strongly believe the majority of the prisoners have commited crimes against the state of israel

While Hezbollah rocket attacks on civilian areas are deplorable, you should at least accept that they were responses to Israeli provocations, particularly their initial bombing raids on Southern Beirut which resulted in mass civilian casualties. If Israel had chosen diplomacy over flexing military muscle, there would be no dead israeli civilians, no dead lebanese civilians.

of course theyre in response..
israel, however would never had had to bomb southern beirut if their soveriengty was not tampered with

And don't start with 'Hezbollah are terrorist, they can't be negotiated with'. Hezbollah initially offered a negotiated solution, which was rebuffed. Israel has never looked like seeking peace - indeed, the assault on Lebanon had already been planned for a year.


Can you prove that Hezbollah seeks the total destruction of Israel? They are a religous nationalist group born out of Lebanon's occupation by Israel, their primary goal being the expulsion of Israeli forces from Lebanon. Extrapolate from it if you want, but please link to a source that backs your claim.
Do you really believe that Hezbollah fighters in Southern Lebanon are simply serving Iranian/Syrian interests? Can you fathom that Hezbollah may be fighting out of a common Lebanese interest to be independent of Israel?

if you read this article, within the arab world youre notion of these great resistance fighters only looking out for their poor tortured country has been refuted
http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23715
"The Land Has Been Liberated; the Role of the Resistance Must End"
But i guess you like following pathetic beings who think they have a right to put the title of president next to their name while they stand on the world stage and let alone question the right of another country to exist but in fact share their plans to destroy this country..and another pathetic being who is so far up this guys ass hes coming out of his mouth..great role models,good choice

and yes i stand by my thought..you cannot negotiate with terrorists! if a group coordinates and plans acts of terror such as the bombing of embassies and sending out 'martyrs' they, for me, can be classified as terrorists

what proof do you need?? in every of nasrallahs speeches he speaks of getting rid of these zionists invaders...and yer 6 years ago you could have mistaken this with their occupation..but they left in 2000!!!

israel only wnats peace with its neigbours..it ha sproven this with its peace treaties but i assure you it wont sign any treaties with a government that allows a terrorist organisation to pull its strings, a government that denies its right to exist nor a government that follows this government like a lost puppy!

As for that video, who knows under what conditions that recording was made - it's a propaganda video for the IDF, it's status as 'reliable' should be taken with a grain of salt.

i accept this

 

[jenzipoo]

Why do you care if the Jews have a country or not? It's not like they do anything beneficial to the worlds economy down there, all they're doing is increasing mid-east tension, causing international trade inflation (by screwing the U.S's economy, through billions in military aid), and also increasing the cost of Oil by the mid-east tensions. Also, a bombing of an Oil Rig is causing a MASSIVE environmental crisis. (I can't find an online picture, but the coast is overwhelmed with dead fish and thick oil throught 2/3 of the Lebanese coast. )

o you are sooo ignorant

let me explain so simply for you
when the jews were being led, like sheep to the slaughter, into the gas chambers of europe..there was no israel, no idf to rescue them

the state of israel is a sanctuary and acts as protection against the vile scum of this earth who believe that the jews are trouble..but dont only believe it, they act on it

israel rescued thousands of ethiopan jews who were fleeing from their war stricken country
israel rescued the passengers (non jewish and jewish) from uganda in the great "entebbe raid" when the world sat and watched..
when south africa was on the brink of civil war right before the 1994 elections were announced when nelson mandela was announced president, israel had charted enough aeroplanes to resuce EVERY single jew from south africa in case something happened, these planes were all facing south africa ready to take off in an instant
israel has taken in 1000s of russian immigrants, over the years, trying to escape the persucation they face in russia
this is just a small minority of the 1000s upon 1000s of people that leave their countries to come and live in israel

this is just a few examples of why the jews need their own country

and i can sit here and boast how israel is at the forefront of technology, science and medicine in the world but then youll be fueled to hate the jews more i guess..but just remember, many cancer diagnosis, the latest in intel technology, motorola techngology and microsoft technology came outta yup you guessed it ISRAEL

so no they do benefit the worlds economy...a lot

 

[HotShot]

o really?
you twat
read the article you so kindly posted
"The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them.
The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity."

so wat the soldiers shouldnt have been in their in the first place.

firstly i have stated NUMEROUS times that the loss of life on both sides is a terrible, terrible tragedy..

its a tragedy that could have been avoided, simply if Israel had not taken offensive!

but the deception and manipulation by hezbollah on israel's weak spot (a love of life and a love for its people) is a trick that will not be repeated..
many israelis have had to witness many of their soldiers bodies being returned for live terrorists being exchnaged!! they are veyr opposed and so is the government..

Tars the biggest BS ever.. - by invading lebanon there is no gaurantee that rockets are going to stop fallin into israel. Once again only 15 have died and 38 injured . rockets only reach northern israel. just evacuate that area and work on a diplomatic solution instead of worsening the situation.

Israel's actions has not only given more support to terrorist actions it has also increased the likelihood of a terrorist attack elsewhere in the world. Why should others pay the price? for a selfish nation of Israel.

and NO i dont believe a prisoner exhcnage would have been better! i strongly believe the majority of the prisoners have commited crimes against the state of israel

Israel need not have had a prisoner exchange- i think thats fair enough. but israel's offensive was the wrong move for the both lebanon and israel. this is not going to help israel ward of terrorists... just think of the lebanese ppl who have lost their relatives, sons and daughters - they are not going blame hezbollah because they seem them as defending their country (whether thats hezbollah intention or not). AS a matter fact they are the only defense in lebanon resisting hte invasion. they will blame and hate israel for killin their relatives.. and you will see the next generation will grow in numbers to support terrorist organisations.

This is how basically terrorism has started, with palestinian being treated in similat and are still being treated in the same manner.


if you read this article, within the arab world youre notion of these great resistance fighters only looking out for their poor tortured country has been refuted

what proof do you need?? in every of nasrallahs speeches he speaks of getting rid of these zionists invaders...and yer 6 years ago you could have mistaken this with their occupation..but they left in 2000!!!

They are TERRORISTS - wat do you expect of TERRORISTS - they have no value in life - but that does not mean israel has to employ a similar mentality?

israel only wnats peace with its neigbours..it ha sproven this with its peace treaties but i assure you it wont sign any treaties with a government that allows a terrorist organisation to pull its strings, a government that denies its right to exist nor a government that follows this government like a lost puppy!

wat peace treaties - they hasnt been a single peace treaty as such. if you mean olso accords- that isnt even peace treaty - it is agreement to work towards peace. but it was broken.. all the peace treaties have been broken.. even the ceasefire was broken?

it will be broken if america keeps coming up these treaties.

 

[HotShot]

o you are sooo ignorant

let me explain so simply for you
when the jews were being led, like sheep to the slaughter, into the gas chambers of europe..there was no israel, no idf to rescue them

the state of israel is a sanctuary and acts as protection against the vile scum of this earth who believe that the jews are trouble..but dont only believe it, they act on it

israel rescued thousands of ethiopan jews who were fleeing from their war stricken country
israel rescued the passengers (non jewish and jewish) from uganda in the great "entebbe raid" when the world sat and watched..
when south africa was on the brink of civil war right before the 1994 elections were announced when nelson mandela was announced president, israel had charted enough aeroplanes to resuce EVERY single jew from south africa in case something happened, these planes were all facing south africa ready to take off in an instant
israel has taken in 1000s of russian immigrants, over the years, trying to escape the persucation they face in russia
this is just a small minority of the 1000s upon 1000s of people that leave their countries to come and live in israel

this is just a few examples of why the jews need their own country

and i can sit here and boast how israel is at the forefront of technology, science and medicine in the world but then youll be fueled to hate the jews more i guess..but just remember, many cancer diagnosis, the latest in intel technology, motorola techngology and microsoft technology came outta yup you guessed it ISRAEL

so no they do benefit the worlds economy...a lot

lol - only cause they leached billions from USA. Just imagine if they USA had used for better purpose maybe in Africa or in Asia - i am sure they would have used that money in a more productive manner.

u say thousands.. where are the sources?.. dontjust come up with random figures be precise..

Israel - Industries:high-technology projects (including aviation, communications, computer-aided design and manufactures, medical electronics, fiber optics), wood and paper products, potash and phosphates, food, beverages, and tobacco, caustic soda, cement, construction, metals products, chemical products, plastics, diamond cutting, textiles, footwear

just cos they produce intel chips... doesnt mean it cant be produced elsewhere...

Just a note intel is based in California Santa Clara and not in israel - they just well outsource lol
AMD is based in Sunnyvale California
Apple computer is based in Cupertino California
lets just say the american just wanted the israelis to do something worthwhile.

 

[rehan]

Re: Israel vs Lebanon

Your opinions intrigue me...its amazing to think that their is such support for such large, fascist and domineering arab countries who continually threaten Israel and its people with threats of terrorism.

Israel has EVERY right to defend herself and her people...

You tell me...would the palestinian or arab nations ever warn people BEFORE they bomb a building or area in order to reduce the amount of casualties? NEVER but Israel does because they have no desire to wipe any Arab country off the world's map (like the Iranian president announced earlier this year) They merely want to defend themselves and stop more terrorist acts from occuring.

View attachment 13227

This is a picture of an actual flyer given out in Lebanon warning people of a bombing that was occruing later in the day

The arab nations have a blatant disregard for human life (and peace treaties) whereas Israel is primarily concerned for its people living in peace and when retaliation occurs infrastructure is targeted...not inncoent civilians!

YEH ALRIGHT!!!

 

[sam04u]

the IDF, isn't exused for bombing civilian infrastructure just because they give warnings... Imagine i blew ur house up but gave u a warning the day before, ur house = ur livelihood, maybe ur pets, ur t.v, ur furniture, ur life....


screw the IDF, inconsiderate bastards, hezbollah warned them too...(on tv), IDF just used messages, then they bombed roads (to make it impossible) then they bomb cars fleeing (to scare people off the road...)

 

[AntiHyper]

They bomb the cars because they had a pre-specified curfew hours yet these cars that were moving were within the curfew hours. Either the cars' occupants had no idea about the curfew or they were truly militants.

 

[rehan]

The Jews are trying to aim for Hezbollah targets, civilians are collateral. Muslim suicide bombers attack civilians as their primary target in the majority of cases.

1. Israel are targeting military installations.
2. Israel has the right to defend itself from a menacing extra-governmental force that is indisicriminantly attacking their civilians.
3. Hezbollah has no legitimate reason to own missile trucks.
4. Hezbollah initiated this war.
etc

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