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THis time its Shia (Hizbollock) vs Sunni :pain:
BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Gunfire broke out in downtown Beirut on Thursday after Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said recent government actions amount to "a declaration of open war."





There are reports of open street battles in at least one neighborhood. Video showed people throwing stones at each other, as Lebanese soldiers used tear gas to disperse the crowds.
The violence is limited to Beirut's Shiite and Sunni neighborhoods and has continued into the evening hours.
Shortly after Nasrallah's speech, CNN's Cal Perry reported from Sodeco Square in downtown Beirut during an intense gun battle.
"Just in the past few minutes ... things have gotten a lot worse," he said, taking cover with the Lebanese army. He said government forces have not reacted to the violence.

The Lebanese army, which is charged with trying to keep peace in the capital, is in a precarious position, Perry explained.
"When you're talking about this much gunfire, when you're talking about [rocket-propelled grenades] fire, it's absolutely ludicrous to think that the army will put themselves between these two factions," he said.
Video of the scene showed empty streets and shuttered stores. There were no reports of violence in Beirut's Christian neighborhoods. Witnesses and journalists described a long line of cars on the main road leading out of Beirut after the violence broke out.
In his televised speech, Nasrallah offered harsh words for the government, blaming it for declaring war by banning Hezbollah's telecommunications system.


"We believe the war has started, and we believe that we have the right to defend ourselves," the Hezbollah leader said. "We will cut the hand that will reach out to the weapons of the resistance, no matter if it comes from the inside or the outside."
He explained that Hezbollah's unmonitored telecommunications system, which the government recently deemed illegal, is "the most important element for the resistance."
Nasrallah called on the government to "withdraw their decisions, and there would be no war."
Late Thursday, Hezbollah's television outlet announced that the organization had rejected calls by the leader of the ruling parliamentary bloc for talks led by a new president.

Lebanese parliamentary majority leader Saad Hariri blamed Nasrallah for "starting a new round of horror" and called on the army to intervene.
The latest tensions between Lebanon's U.S.-backed government and Hezbollah were sparked Monday when the government declared Hezbollah's communication system illegal.
The same day, the government fired the head of Beirut airport's security, Brig. Gen. Wafik Shoukeir, amid its investigation into allegations that Hezbollah had installed cameras and other monitoring equipment at the airport.
Hezbollah viewed Shoukeir's dismissal as another confrontation by the Sunni-led government against the Shiite militant group's authority.
The government believes that Hezbollah was using the equipment to keep tabs on anti-Syrian government officials, possibly funneling the information to Syria. Syria has been accused of carrying out assassinations on anti-Syrian Lebanese politicians, a charge it vehemently denies.
Hezbollah has been blamed for using Wednesday's labor strike, planned to protest low wages, as an excuse to take to the streets of Beirut to protest the government's crackdown on its telecommunication system.
The strike quickly turned into a flashpoint over Lebanon's 17-month-old political crisis.
Hezbollah supporters continue to block all the roads leading to Beirut's airport, forcing the cancellation of nearly all incoming and outgoing flights. The airport is strategic for Lebanon, which is wedged between Syria and Israel, because it is the only way into and out of the country for many people.
In his speech, Nasrallah argued that Hezbollah's telecommunications system is a weapon that is legal under the Taif Agreement, which ended Lebanon's civil war in 1989. That agreement called for the disarmament of all militias except for Hezbollah because of its role as a resistance group against the Israeli occupation, which ended in 2000.


Hezbollah sees the Lebanese government's ban of its communication system as a pretext for arresting its members. Nasrallah said the secure line of communication allowed Hezbollah to thwart Israeli forces during the 36-day war in 2006
"As a resistance, we don't have a big budget like the United States and Israel," Nasrallah said. "When we need to face them and their high technology, we need to have the simplest means of networking."
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/05/08/lebanon.hezbollah/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
 

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God this is bad news, those with dual citizenship in Lebanon is coming back to Australia for life insurance. :(


The government really should do something with our dual citizenship laws.
 

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Hezbollah TV announced Saturday evening that Hezbollah-led opposition forces would withdraw all their gunmen from Beirut in compliance with the Lebanese army's request.

Stupid terrorists...
 

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JaredR said:
Hezbollah TV announced Saturday evening that Hezbollah-led opposition forces would withdraw all their gunmen from Beirut in compliance with the Lebanese army's request.
Aryan just committed suicide...
 

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You always get it so wrong AryanBeauty, allow me to enlighten you as I have many times in the past.


Firstly, this is not a sectarian conflict as you implied here:
This time its Shia vs Sunni.
This conflict is between pro-U.S government, and it's opposition. Also I really wouldn't call it a war - a war implies there is heavy fighting. Hezbollah managed to capture most of Beirut and as far north as the edges of Tripoli within a few days, whilst most of the defensive forces remained intact in the south, incase of an Israeli counter attack.

If Hezbollah so wished, they could have easily captured/killed the current government, and continued the lock-down of the country.

If anything this proves there is no military opposition worthy of the name to Hezbollah. And with the governments now demanding regular Lebanese give up arms, It's looking more and more like it doesn't support any form of Lebanese resistance. Another victory for Hezbollah!
 

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sam04u said:
You always get it so wrong AryanBeauty, allow me to enlighten you as I have many times in the past.


Firstly, this is not a sectarian conflict as you implied here:


This conflict is between pro-U.S government, and it's opposition. Also I really wouldn't call it a war - a war implies there is heavy fighting. Hezbollah managed to capture most of Beirut and as far north as the edges of Tripoli within a few days, whilst most of the defensive forces remained intact in the south, incase of an Israeli counter attack.

If Hezbollah so wished, they could have easily captured/killed the current government, and continued the lock-down of the country.

If anything this proves there is no military opposition worthy of the name to Hezbollah. And with the governments now demanding regular Lebanese give up arms, It's looking more and more like it doesn't support any form of Lebanese resistance. Another victory for Hezbollah!

The US is prepared to help strengthen Lebanon's army so it can disarm Hezbollah, US President George W Bush said in an interview with the BBC.
He said the Shia Muslim Hezbollah movement had acted against its own people and was destabilising Lebanon.
He made the remarks ahead of a trip to the Middle East later this week.
At least 60 people have died in clashes in the capital Beirut and other cities between supporters of the government and the Hezbollah-led opposition. The sectarian violence is the worst since the end of the 15-year civil war in 1990.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7397400.stm :lol:
 

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The US is prepared to help strengthen Lebanon's army so it can disarm Hezbollah, US President George W Bush said in an interview with the BBC.
You say that as if the army fully supports the government anyways. The current Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, has less authority in Lebanon (on the ground) than the leader of Hezbollah. Infact the army has decided to stay neutral, and instead is opting to help disarm regular civilians who might choose to be involved in the conflict in the heat of the moment.

The sectarian violence is the worst since the end of the 15-year civil war in 1990
Right, because if BBC says it, it must be true.
 

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sam04u said:
You say that as if the army fully supports the government anyways. The current Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, has less authority in Lebanon (on the ground) than the leader of Hezbollah. Infact the army has decided to stay neutral, and instead is opting to help disarm regular civilians who might choose to be involved in the conflict in the heat of the moment.
In other words the Lebanese Army remains a joke. Which other countries have militias that are better armed then the national army? That's a recipe for stability. Particuarly in the Arab middle east where the militaries are known to be big believers in the civil/military distinction.
 

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In other words the Lebanese Army remains a joke. Which other countries have militias that are better armed then the national army?
Hezbollah has proven to be much more than just a militia which can be easily disregarded. Hezbollah does have a military wing, just as it has a political, diplomatic, financial, social and even a media wing.

However as you stated, the Lebanese Army is a joke. The Lebanese army is a joke if you believe an army should be made up of mindless drones that simply follow orders. The kind that commit attrocities because they were told to.
 

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This is the new Cold War and Lady Liberty is at Freedom's Watch.
 

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sam04u said:
Right, because if BBC says it, it must be true.
BEIRUT (AFP) - The Lebanese capital braced for more sectarian violence Friday after fierce gunbattles in Beirut left at least seven people dead and the opposition Hezbollah chief charged that a government crackdown on his group was tantamount to a "declaration of war

from aljazeera http://aljazeera.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=116959

The city was the focus of four days of Sunni-Shiite clashes that culminated with Hezbollah seizing large swaths of Muslim West Beirut.....Thirty-eight people have been killed since Wednesday, when a power struggle between the Hezbollah-led opposition and the U.S.-backed government began erupting into the worst sectarian violence since Lebanon's 1975-1990 civil war.

From Associated Press. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5io5o7HAtI7mmO0Cz0gCQA9-xZCoAD90JMNS00 :bomb:
 

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From Al-Jazeera...
From Associated Press...
How about from me? A Lebanese sunni? You know someone who has first and second hand information about this conflict.

This is not a sectarian conflict.
 

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sam04u said:
How about from me? A Lebanese sunni? You know someone who has first and second hand information about this conflict.

This is not a sectarian conflict.
Are you a Lebanse Sunni IN Beirut? No, you're an Australian (I assume) who enjoys the comfortable Australian life void of all this SECTARIAN violence.

I think I'll listen to the reports, Arab and non-Arab from people there FIRST HAND.
 

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sam04u said:
Hezbollah has proven to be much more than just a militia which can be easily disregarded. Hezbollah does have a military wing, just as it has a political, diplomatic, financial, social and even a media wing.

However as you stated, the Lebanese Army is a joke. The Lebanese army is a joke if you believe an army should be made up of mindless drones that simply follow orders. The kind that commit attrocities because they were told to.
You're right Hezbollah is a country within a country and not just the army but the government of Lebanon is a joke. What sort of government is it if they are constantly getting stood over by a militia? (and lets not kid ourselves much of Hezbollah's influence comes from being the best armed group in Lebanon).

Hezbollah is overwhelmingly a shiite dominated movement so like everything in Lebanon there are secterian overtones to the current conflict.
 

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