Muhammad Cartoon Controversy (1 Viewer)

[HotShot]

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Beliefs are questioned all the time and should not be limited to religion. I would not see someone like you not criticising "western values" which is still a belief, though not a religion.

according to democracy, you have to respect other people's belief. whether it be religion or whatever.

The questions that arises is, what is the purpose of this cartoon? clearly the purpose changed (if it had any prupose initiall), to suggest that the media had right of speech - doesnt anybody.

Having the right of speech doesnt mean u can say anything, u must the respect that rite and it shouldnt be used to abuse anyone.

 

[withoutaface]

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according to democracy, you have to respect other people's belief. whether it be religion or whatever.

The questions that arises is, what is the purpose of this cartoon? clearly the purpose changed (if it had any prupose initiall), to suggest that the media had right of speech - doesnt anybody.

Having the right of speech doesnt mean u can say anything, u must the respect that rite and it shouldnt be used to abuse anyone.

Wrong. You have to respect the individual's right to have that belief, but you don't have to respect the belief itself. The cartoon was published to show what a bunch of pathetic crybabies a lot of Muslims are, and I think it's suceeded.

Zahid: I disagree with the notion of Islam, and feel the same degree of animosity to it that I do towards socialism.

 

[Simpson Freak]

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i agree with serius pretty well....
do i hate all muslims? nope, and the ones i know personally i've no issue with
i do have severe issues with anyone that would have no problem killing me based on who i am, and at this point, there are a large number of people under the realm of islam that fit that catagory, and they have support from a very large number within the islamic world, it seems. i have a problem with the violent extremists, and they tend to be getting supported by quite a few in islam, and they use islam as the justifcation.

well then stop acting like anyone on this thread is a radical psycho, i havent met anyone like this on this forum, yet you seem to treat everyone like that.

all the shit the terrorists have done, and all the violent protests by the radicals or close minded (like syrians who see this as a war declaration) are carried out by a small percentage of over a billion muslims.

however that cartoon has insulted over a billion, not just the small radical percentage....there are now many who never supported Bin Laden, but will sympathize with them because of the cartoon, Free Speech does not involve irresponsible and reckless propaganda and provocation, amongst the violence the cartoonists are the lesser of 2 evils, but why are you people passing them off as freedom fighters, you are doing the same thing as the terrorists who call those dumbasses that blow themselves up...MARTYRS, HEROES

stop pretending this is simply about free speech, when you have done wrong, we try to defend ourselves, and the after the ignorance of those cartoonists they still try to come off as if they bare no responsibility when labelling a billion people as terrorists

 

[withoutaface]

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well then stop acting like anyone on this thread is a radical psycho, i havent met anyone like this on this forum, yet you seem to treat everyone like that.

all the shit the terrorists have done, and all the violent protests by the radicals or close minded (like syrians who see this as a war declaration) are carried out by a small percentage of over a billion muslims.

however that cartoon has insulted over a billion, not just the small radical percentage....there are now many who never supported Bin Laden, but will sympathize with them because of the cartoon, Free Speech does not involve irresponsible and reckless propaganda and provocation, amongst the violence the cartoonists are the lesser of 2 evils, but why are you people passing them off as freedom fighters, you are doing the same thing as the terrorists who call those dumbasses that blow themselves up...MARTYRS, HEROES

stop pretending this is simply about free speech, when you have done wrong, we try to defend ourselves, and the after the ignorance of those cartoonists they still try to come off as if they bare no responsibility when labelling a billion people as terrorists

This is about free speech. If you understood how I felt when I saw that "Freedom go to hell" picture you would understand that I am quite distressed when my beliefs come under fire, as well, but I don't try to deny people their right to express an opinion. You should ignore them as misguided individuals not worth your time worrying about, because that's essentially what they are to you.

 

[HotShot]

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This is about free speech. If you understood how I felt when I saw that "Freedom go to hell" picture you would understand that I am quite distressed when my beliefs come under fire, as well, but I don't try to deny people their right to express an opinion. You should ignore them as misguided individuals not worth your time worrying about, because that's essentially what they are to you.

Nope, the right to express your opinion has it limits and there is way to express it. Why do you need to express your opinions on a newspaper? when you can talk about it to your friend.

As i said before, the 'right of freedom of speech' is an excuse. IF they have that right, then so do the muslims, and they are now showing their opinions. And according to you its acceptable.

Wrong. You have to respect the individual's right to have that belief, but you don't have to respect the belief itself. The cartoon was published to show what a bunch of pathetic crybabies a lot of Muslims are, and I think it's suceeded.

Pss... you can still the respect people right to have belief, by not expressing in such ways. Both the publisher and reaction of the muslims is wrong, but according to your ideology they are right.

 

[withoutaface]

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As i said before, the 'right of freedom of speech' is an excuse. IF they have that right, then so do the muslims, and they are now showing their opinions. And according to you its acceptable.

Of course it's acceptable, but it doesn't mean they're right.

(2006-02-03) — The French newspaper that set off Muslim riots this week by republishing Danish editorial cartoons implying a connection between Islam’s founder and modern acts of terror, announced today it had reached a negotiated settlement with a leading Islamic group to end the controversy which has sparked boycotts, violence, gunfire and hostage-takings.

“We should not have portrayed this peaceful religion, or its Prophet (peace be upon him), as angry, violent, or reactionary,” said an unnamed editor of the French daily from his bunker in an undisclosed location. “Starting tomorrow, we will atone for our insults to Mohammed (peace be upon him), and demonstrate that we are fair and balanced.”

Under the terms of its agreement with the group, Bond of Muslim Brotherhood, the paper will run a series of cartoons portraying Jews as “greedy deceivers who control the world from their headquarters in the territory they stole from the Palestinians.”

A spokesman for the Islamic cleric group said, “We welcome this anti-Semitic gesture as a reasonable first-step toward reconciliation that will allow us to protect the reputation of the Prophet (peace be upon him), as we gradually phase out some of our planned riots, bombings and beheadings.”

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2168

 

[Simpson Freak]

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Wrong. You have to respect the individual's right to have that belief, but you don't have to respect the belief itself. The cartoon was published to show what a bunch of pathetic crybabies a lot of Muslims are, and I think it's suceeded.

Zahid: I disagree with the notion of Islam, and feel the same degree of animosity to it that I do towards socialism.

So you dont understand why a billion individuals BELIEVE they shudnt be labelled as terrorists because of a few modern nuts are likened to someone completely unrelated who lived in the 7th century.

Your posts are lacking in logic and common sense, and you continue to use somantics to escape that fact.

Lets take a look at that pretty cartoon for your signature, i understand what it means to say, however you do realise the terrorist attacks were done by a small percentage who call themselves muslims,

so why do you think a billion other people, that werent involved in terrorism, dont have the right to be upset by the cartoon mocking them and likening them to the assholes that did blow themselves up.

also when you call over a billion people terrorists, why should you be surprised that lets say even 10000 would start violent protests.

oya and feeling animosity to anything does not say much about your own humanity, its just simply states that your a violent and close-minded bigot.

 

[withoutaface]

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So you dont understand why a billion individuals BELIEVE they shudnt be labelled as terrorists because of a few modern nuts are likened to someone completely unrelated who lived in the 7th century.

Your posts are lacking in logic and common sense, and you continue to use somantics to escape that fact.

Lets take a look at that pretty cartoon for your signature, i understand what it means to say, however you do realise the terrorist attacks were done by a small percentage who call themselves muslims,

so why do you think a billion other people, that werent involved in terrorism, dont have the right to be upset by the cartoon mocking them and likening them to the assholes that did blow themselves up.

also when you call over a billion people terrorists, why should you be surprised that lets say even 10000 would start violent protests.

oya and feeling animosity to anything does not say much about your own humanity, its just simply states that your a violent and close-minded bigot.

THEY ARE NOT BEING LABELLED AS TERRORISTS. Did you even read my earlier post?

Actually the cartoon had a double meaning, as is common in Danish press, and was debating whether Islam creates terrorists or terrorists just use Islam as an excuse.
Ie one way of looking at it Muhammad is the base, or root, of the bomb, or terrorism, and the other way to look at it is that the bomb is just latching onto Muhammad.

You feel an animosity towards those that published the original pictures, does that make you a close minded bigot?

 

[Simpson Freak]

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This is about free speech. If you understood how I felt when I saw that "Freedom go to hell" picture you would understand that I am quite distressed when my beliefs come under fire, as well, but I don't try to deny people their right to express an opinion. You should ignore them as misguided individuals not worth your time worrying about, because that's essentially what they are to you.

o boohoo poor you :'(, that "freedom go to hell" sign really hurt your feelings didnt it. (actually i dont think i should mock you since it may be simply the fact that you believe what you wrote up there because of biased media) some news readers are trying to make this look like cencorship or people feeling they are above others....for more unbiased news (well on this topic anyway) you should go for something like russian or chinese....i am multilingual, so its nice to see how different the same story can be in different parts of the world.

well try to understand what that sign meant, its showing frustration not an invitation for slavery, seriously are you that dimwitted, or just trying to not accept that since it will go against your argument.

as hotshot said, when "freedom" is being used as an excuse to justify wrong doing and defamation, what more can you say than "freedom go to hell".

i personally think it was very clever, it reminds me of a line in THE CRUCIBLE, by Arthur Miller. "then i say god is dead", to show that hanging people for being accused of a witch is just stupid and completely against god,

ofcourse John Proctor was killed for saying that, similarly how you people are trying to pass this guy off as a terrorist slave trader because of his frustration at "freedom" being used as an excuse.

 

[withoutaface]

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o boohoo poor you :'(, that "freedom go to hell" sign really hurt your feelings didnt it.

It's no less valid a reason to be upset than some drawings of a historical figure.

well try to understand what that sign meant, its showing frustration not an invitation for slavery, seriously are you that dimwitted, or just trying to not accept that since it will go against your argument.

I'll try to understand what the sign meant when you try to understand what the cartoons meant.

 

[withoutaface]

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http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/

 

[banco55]

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So you dont understand why a billion individuals BELIEVE they shudnt be labelled as terrorists because of a few modern nuts are likened to someone completely unrelated who lived in the 7th century.

Your posts are lacking in logic and common sense, and you continue to use somantics to escape that fact.

Lets take a look at that pretty cartoon for your signature, i understand what it means to say, however you do realise the terrorist attacks were done by a small percentage who call themselves muslims,

so why do you think a billion other people, that werent involved in terrorism, dont have the right to be upset by the cartoon mocking them and likening them to the assholes that did blow themselves up.

also when you call over a billion people terrorists, why should you be surprised that lets say even 10000 would start violent protests.

oya and feeling animosity to anything does not say much about your own humanity, its just simply states that your a violent and close-minded bigot.

Simpsons Freak this crap about "oh they labelled us all as terrorists" is a red herring. The muslims object not just to that cartoon but to the idea of muhummad being drawn at all. It's not like but for the particular cartoon with muhummad as a terrorist the muslims wouldn't mind about the cartoons.

 

[Simpson Freak]

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It's no less valid a reason to be upset than some drawings of a historical figure.


I'll try to understand what the sign meant when you try to understand what the cartoons meant.

firstly, i dont know what to say other than I UNDERSTAND the cartoons,

secondly, so you do admit that you have thus far looked at the whole issue as a close minded bigot? well i dont need you to answer that, its fairly obvious,

 

[withoutaface]

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If you'd call looking at an issue with the objective to present a solution that maximises freedom being a close-minded bigot, then yes, I suppose I have been.

And if you think that any of the cartoons are labelling Muslims as terrorists then you obviously don't understand the cartoons in the cultural context where they were originally published.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

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[Simpson Freak]

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If you'd call looking at an issue with the objective to present a solution that maximises freedom being a close-minded bigot, then yes, I suppose I have been.

And if you think that any of the cartoons are labelling Muslims as terrorists then you obviously don't understand the cartoons in the cultural context where they were originally published.

to your first point, i say you are just using freedom as an excuse to justify your bigotry, as so many posters have said, you are simply trying to come off as the oppressed freedom fighter.

to your second point, i am aware that the cartoons impact was meant to be different to the dannish cultural context, as i said, i agree that the cartoonists were probably ignorant to the implications of such a cartoon, which is why i dont think they should be hung drawn and quartered for stupidity and irresponsibility.

however, when you call mohammad a terrorist, then you are calling a billion others a terrorist since they try to follow his way of life.

der have been depictions of mohammad like in south park, but they were never met with the same outrage, and you know the reason why, there was nothing negative in that one.

this was a cartoon that played on stereotypes, so it doesnt matter as much if jesus is portrayed as this and that, most of the time it doesnt matter since there is no stereotype, but labelling a billion muslims as a terrorist, is as outrageous as calling all african americans convicts because a high percentage of them in the US are in prison, or making fun of indigenous australians as petrol sniffers even though a high number of them do it.
this cartoon reinforced a negative stereotype, and didnt have a political message but just provocation.

well lets look at it this way, IRAN has a freak of a president that claims Israel should be wiped off the map, now that is stupid, and you dont see anyone calling it free speech, even though JEWS that live in IRAN, dont see it anything more than a political ploy to gain support and control in his country,

 

[Not-That-Bright]

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to your first point, i say you are just using freedom as an excuse to justify your bigotry, as so many posters have said, you are simply trying to come off as the oppressed freedom fighter.

This is real rich "We did nothing wrong! Ya'll just hate us! keke"

 

[withoutaface]

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to your first point, i say you are just using freedom as an excuse to justify your bigotry, as so many posters have said, you are simply trying to come off as the oppressed freedom fighter.

I am not a bigot. Personally I disagree with race as a concept and view it as just another boundary to the effective operation of the market. I believe that you should have the right to believe what you want to believe, and say what you want to say (so long as it's not inciting violence), and I believe that you should afford me the same rights.

to your second point, i am aware that the cartoons impact was meant to be different to the dannish cultural context, as i said, i agree that the cartoonists were probably ignorant to the implications of such a cartoon, which is why i dont think they should be hung drawn and quartered for stupidity and irresponsibility.

however, when you call mohammad a terrorist, then you are calling a billion others a terrorist since they try to follow his way of life.

There was no implication of Muhummad being a terrorist in any of the cartoons in the context they were originally published in, and since this was the only context they were ever supposed to be published in I can't see how you can say that they are depicting him as such.

der have been depictions of mohammad like in south park, but they were never met with the same outrage, and you know the reason why, there was nothing negative in that one.

The Muslim community would have been pissed off even if the one with the bomb on his head weren't there.

this was a cartoon that played on stereotypes, so it doesnt matter as much if jesus is portrayed as this and that, most of the time it doesnt matter since there is no stereotype, but labelling a billion muslims as a terrorist, is as outrageous as calling all african americans convicts because a high percentage of them in the US are in prison, or making fun of indigenous australians as petrol sniffers even though a high number of them do it.
this cartoon reinforced a negative stereotype, and didnt have a political message but just provocation.

well lets look at it this way, IRAN has a freak of a president that claims Israel should be wiped off the map, now that is stupid, and you dont see anyone calling it free speech, even though JEWS that live in IRAN, dont see it anything more than a political ploy to gain support and control in his country,

Saying Israel should be wiped out is inciting violence and thus does not fall under free speech, and in any case you don't see Jews around the world protesting against it and burning Iranian flags.

 

[SashatheMan]

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So you dont understand why a billion individuals BELIEVE they shudnt be labelled as terrorists because of a few modern nuts are likened to someone completely unrelated who lived in the 7th century.

you see, there are not just a few bad apples, in the in islam, theres are many millions of terrorists and violent individuals who would be happy to riot, this is more then just that. too many imo.

 

[Simpson Freak]

some here hav stated that they should have complained to the newspaper, but as if a danish newspaper would have given a dam about what people in syria think? heck they would hav said the same "free speech" excuse.

well i have always been told that when you go to another place you act as an ambassador for your origin, in the same way, when a dannish cartoon insults people, the radical maniacs are not going to search for exactly who is to blame .

similarly terrorists dont care that they are killing innocent women and children, when a bomb goes off near a government building.

ultimately that cartoon has created more terrorist sympathizers, and more people who see a billion people as a terrorist group, why should free speech cause such chaos?

i dont know why not that bright is trying to twist it, but yes many muslim leaders are telling their people that violence because of these cartoons can only hurt islam, why is he making it look like the moderate and mainstream muslims dont already know this......i dont think anyone on this thread has actually done anything violent because of the cartoons so its pointless on some of you still trying to label us.