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[soha]

Exactly. Its not like everytime there is a war, all the women roam the streets with out a male insight. And not all women have to be partnered up with someone. some dont seek a relationship till later, which means there are still men for all the women are are looking

exactly
thats why its not common
its doesnt happen as much as it did back in the days because now women are more independant and we can support ourself and we have differnet aides etc

whereas hundreds of years ago...it wasnt the case

 

[Not-That-Bright]

are there verses in the koran that state that polygamy is only for such occasions?

 

[Riqtay]

If people against Islamic polygamy are also against multilple partners and defacto relationships with more than one partner, then why arn't they speaking out loud about these issues? Obviously because they are neutral about it or endorse it.

Sasha, you are bringing in too many variables into this issue. Let us control this debate by assuming that men and women need to marry in their mid 20s (which is often the case). In a post war situation, let us also assume that many of the women are of marrying age. Surely then in the situation where there are many more women then men, men should be allowed to marry up to 4 wives to keep the purity and cleanliness of society.

If marriage in this situation was not allowed, then there would be extreme promiscuity and children would be born out of wedlock and society would experience anarchy (as in Germany after WWII). Society would become very unhealthy indeed.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

If people against Islamic polygamy are also against multilple partners and defacto relationships with more than one partner, then why arn't they speaking out loud about these issues? Obviously because they are neutral about it or endorse it.

Sasha, you are bringing in too many variables into this issue. Let us control this debate by assuming that men and women need to marry in their mid 20s (which is often the case). In a post war situation, let us also assume that many of the women are of marrying age. Surely then in the situation where there are many more women then men, men should be allowed to marry up to 4 wives to keep the purity and cleanliness of society.

If marriage in this situation was not allowed, then there would be extreme promiscuity and children would be born out of wedlock and society would experience anarchy (as in Germany after WWII). Society would become very unhealthy indeed.

Are you trying to tell me that wars used to involve 100's of thousands of men that would go off and all die with minimal female casulties?

 

[Riqtay]

Obviously not all men die in war situations. But there is a severe imbalance in the male and female population. It is usually more males the die in war situations as they are the ones who go out to combat. Women and children are also casualities in wars, but for the most part more men usually die after wars.

 

[soha]

omg i dont think we need to justify polygamy...anymore then we already have
we have no problem with it..we understand it i see the logic in it etc

if you dont then tough tittys....such is life
i have to go to work now...nooo
but happy new year to all my peeps....omg 2006 yaaay

 

[Riqtay]

Obviously not all men die in war situations. But there is a severe imbalance in the male and female population. It is usually more males the die in war situations as they are the ones who go out into combat. Women and children are also casualities in wars, but for the most part more men usually die after wars.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Obviously not all men die in war situations. But there is a severe imbalance in the male and female population. It is usually more males the die in war situations as they are the ones who go out into combat. Women and children are also casualities in wars, but for the most part more men usually die after wars.

Yea but you'd have to have such significant ammounts of men dying... especially when we consider how women used to be treated in society (see: women being killed for not being able to give birth etc etc).

 

[Riqtay]

I am not doubting what happened in societies before. I am merely just explaining to you the Islamic teachings concerning polygamy.

Teaching is very different to practice. The teachings of Islam are beautiful, but the wrongful practice of Islam (ie terrorism etc) is dispicable.

 

[withoutaface]

But if the word of the qua'ran has become dated, and the practice of polygamy is no longer necessary and indeed is troublesome, does that not mean that God is not infallible?

 

[Riqtay]

The practice of polygamy was required just over 50 years ago in Germany after WWII even though it wasn't widespread.

There are still conflicts around the world and wars are taking place right as we speak. When and if another large scale war breaks out, the aftermath may require the practice of polygamy amongst Muslims.

 

[Sonic]

haha nice try withoutaface this is still available 2day as noted in times of war and when there are a surplus of women over men... again i state its a way of women being able to survive if they don't have a person to protect her (eg father,brother,cuz)

 

[withoutaface]

But we've seen evidence from the Sudan, and keep in mind that war nowadays is more technological, with less (frontline) casualties, and surely noone can tell me that 75% of the male population of a country can be killed while the entire female population survives.

 

[Sonic]

But we've seen evidence from the Sudan, and keep in mind that war nowadays is more technological, with less (frontline) casualties, and surely noone can tell me that 75% of the male population of a country can be killed while the entire female population survives.

hmmm if the population (eg: sudan is plauged with AIDS, then this doesn't really count).. and yeah in some wars 75% of the population might not die but you never know with americas weapons and current technology

 

[withoutaface]

hmmm if the population (eg: sudan is plauged with AIDS, then this doesn't really count).. and yeah in some wars 75% of the population might not die but you never know with americas weapons and current technology

AIDS indiscriminantly kills men and women, so its presence is immaterial to the gross difference between the two sexes, and would in fact exacerbate the ratio because you'd have a smaller total of men to the same number of war deaths and hence a large percentage difference. And if by America's technology you mean nukes, they kill both men and women.

 

[Riqtay]

Without a face, you are operating on figures which are very precise and exact. Obviously, in dire times there are sever disturbances amongst the distribution of males and females of marrying age, yet the number is not exact but approximate to the extent that polygamy may be required.

We have also advanced technologically so that there are few casualties, but we cannot see into the future. The future may hold a severe situation where there are many more females than males due to war, natural disasters or that men may mysteriously die untimely deaths - no one knows.

Polygamy is just a provision availible in certain circumstances. Even if such a situation never arises in the future, there is nothing wrong with the provision set out by Islam. Its logic is such that it is inescapable.

 

[Sonic]

And if by America's technology you mean nukes, they kill both men and women.

not just that smart bombs and stuff.. unless you have ppl at the "frontline" who are all men and you kill them all

 

[withoutaface]

What happens if, for example, the incidence of breast or cervical cancer rises 100 fold. Are men supposed to remain wifeless, the same way as women would be husbandless following this hypothetical war?

 

[Sonic]

What happens if, for example, the incidence of breast or cervical cancer rises 100 fold. Are men supposed to remain wifeless, the same way as women would be husbandless following this hypothetical war?

well if there are no women... yes.... how are they to marry if there are no women??

 

[withoutaface]

If there are a few women, and they cannot have multiple husbands then the men will be wifeless, no?