Non-Maths HSC (2 Viewers)

[tku336]

I know from our school Vallance got 99.95 without maths or sciences last year. Not doing maths doesn't hurt you at all.

 

[Schoey93]

LOL...not doing maths does shit all if you take subs like

English Adv + Ext 1 + Ext 2
Modern History
Latin Continuers
Italian Continuers

...

It's all about consistency and getting good grades across all subjects...but only if you wanna do well. If you don't wanna do well - then why the fuck did you do the HSC...you REALLY should have LEFt.

 

[Aquawhite]

^ Above post is interesting... *thinks, then laughs at the English faculty*

 

[Aerath]

If you wanna do Maths for your HSC, that's fine. If you believe you're better off without it, that's fine as well.

 

[tku336]

4 unit english isn't really THAT subjective. We always get about 10 at 48 or above, for example, and average a bit above 46.

4 unit maths is great and all, but it doesn't help your ATAR at all unless you are not good at 10 units without it.

And what subjects did your Newington friend get 97+ in? Raw or aligned, if that's humanities like eco or modern or ancient he's looking at 100 ..

 

[tku336]

Hmm. I tried it out on my own 10 units of humanities and it went to 99.95 actually.

And that's one case. We've always been consistent across the years at our school. Good people do well. Saying 4 unit english is subjective is akin to saying 2 unit english is subjective or modern history is subjective.

It's true I guess to some extent in very limited cases, but my the most part those who are good at their subject consistently get the marks. Of course you can't predict which 4 unit is a 49 and which is a 50, ect., but you can get a pretty good ballpark figure.

 

[Mu5hi]

On your answer to 1), if a person does not do maths, but takes subjects they enjoy which all have similar or better scaling than 2U Mathematics (and there are quite a few subjects that do scale better or similarly, e.g. Modern History, some languages, sciences), I believe he should be just as capable of getting an ATAR of 99+ as someone who does maths.

Modern scales a bit lower, but better if you get 93%+

 

[elmoateme]

There's nothing wrong with taken 10 units to the HSC with 4U English as a part of them. Just wait til after half yearlies to drop to 10 units because it is such a self motivated subject. And don't worry about not doing maths for your HSC if you know you won't need it for uni and you don't like it.

 

[lyounamu]

At our school, the top dude is doing no maths and science (he already did maths as an accelerant last year though but his marks won't count). This guy will end up getting something in the vicinity of 99.80-99.95...

Watch out for this dude and anticipate sometime in the future where I go "I told you so" LOL

 

[lyounamu]

haha yeah technically you can get any uai with any combination of subjects (i think, as long as you're eligible for an atar), and lots of people get 99+ with no maths/sciences, but as I said, i reckon it's riskier and harder...

Definitely. There is some degree of subjectivity that comes into humanities subjects. But if you are really really brilliant at writing in general, I reckon there is much less risk (which definitely applies to his case since he can write better than teachers)

 

[Schoey93]

Definitely. There is some degree of subjectivity that comes into humanities subjects. But if you are really really brilliant at writing in general, I reckon there is much less risk (which definitely applies to his case since he can write better than teachers)

Maths isn't black and white though. There are many ways of getting an answer and you also get marks for working. If the marker doesn't like your working and it doesn't conform to theories and mathematical models; you lose marks.

Science is becoming more subjective, too. That said, in English, if you're a good writer and have studied your modules well - you shouldn't technically be marked down just because the marker doesn't like your writing. They have judges who set band standards. Markers also compare.

And if you're a good writer - your writing should appeal to a whole range of people.

 

[lyounamu]

Maths isn't black and white though. There are many ways of getting an answer and you also get marks for working. If the marker doesn't like your working and it doesn't conform to theories and mathematical models; you lose marks.

Science is becoming more subjective, too. That said, in English, if you're a good writer and have studied your modules well - you shouldn't technically be marked down just because the marker doesn't like your writing. They have judges who set band standards. Markers also compare.

And if you're a good writer - your writing should appeal to a whole range of people.

Yes that's true. Maths isn't black and white. But as long as you explain how you achieved the right answers, whether marker doesn't like your working or not, you should still get full marks. Maths is supposed to remove all the bias.

With English, removing bias is difficult as personal opinions always come in. Even if you justify your statement, if that statement doesn't agree with the marker, you won't get the marks for it. The problem in English lies in the fact that there is free interpretation of the text. (it can be a good thing though)

 

[tku336]

By all means though, take maths or a science. It's a refreshing change from memorising dozens of essay plans.

Besides, what I've found is that I can procrastinate from histories/eco/englishes by doing maths papers.

 

[Dyllip]

I don't get this. Does this mean ANY maths including general ensures a relatively higher ATAR if you do well?

 

[Dyllip]

Why is Maths so highly regarded? What makes EX1&2 maths SO good. Like, you don't really grow up to be a mathematician? However if you do economics and business, you could be like financial consultant, financial planner, economist, stockbroker, business owner and CEO etc. Or Biology like botanist, marine biologist, zoo keeper etc...

 

[duckcowhybrid]

Why is Maths so highly regarded? What makes EX1&2 maths SO good. Like, you don't really grow up to be a mathematician? However if you do economics and business, you could be like financial consultant, financial planner, economist, stockbroker, business owner and CEO etc. Or Biology like botanist, marine biologist, zoo keeper etc...

All of these professions benefit from doing MX2 to some degree. Especially the financial ones

 

[Shadowdude]

Why is Maths so highly regarded? What makes EX1&2 maths SO good. Like, you don't really grow up to be a mathematician? However if you do economics and business, you could be like financial consultant, financial planner, economist, stockbroker, business owner and CEO etc. Or Biology like botanist, marine biologist, zoo keeper etc...

Because it's easily the most difficult subject out there. Not many people can do that high level maths. You don't get numbers usually in MX2. It's not as simple as 1 + 1 = 2. You play with variables, you get say: This is x, this is g, this distance is 2, this angle is pi/6 and blah blah blah, and then you have to show that this other side is like 12x+g/pi or something. Just look at an MX2 paper.

I know a few people in General struggling to figure out why you have to multiply the other side by 2 if you multiply one side by 2.