People doing law for the $$$/career prospects (3 Viewers)

[xeuyrawp]

What the hell

that's dodgy -- what about if someone wanted to transfer? The UAC would give them a new GPA surely

I think they re-calculate it with the normal GPA/WAM system. Why macquarie had to be different is beyond me.

Awwww no fair, the neighbour is a lawyer and my second cousin is a barrister and they both offered to take me around with them but that sucks compared to a REAL SC ur soooo lucky

You can follow me around in a few years

Actually, if you do end up doing law, I'm going to graduate much later than you, so I'll follow you around

 

[Frigid]

Awwww but he provoked me *I ama aware that provocation is only a defence to murder in nsw but still *

i aint smart but i would also say involuntariness.

although, admittingly, it's not a defence per se.

 

[melsc]

i aint smart but i would also say involuntariness.

although, admittingly, it's not a defence per se.

More like a mitigating circumstance?

 

[Frigid]

More like a mitigating circumstance?

no. voluntariness is part of the actus (i think ). if voluntariness is not proved, then the actus is not proved. therefore, it wasn't murder.

(think of voluntariness as that knee-jerk reaction you can do when you lightly tap the bottom of someone's kneecap, their leg kicks up.

so for example, if you tapped someone on their kneecap and they kicked you in the balls, if you're a guy, then that's an involuntary action )

 

[melsc]

no. voluntariness is part of the actus (i think ). if voluntariness is not proved, then the actus is not proved. therefore, it wasn't murder.

(think of voluntariness as that knee-jerk reaction you can do when you lightly tap the bottom of someone's kneecap, their leg kicks up.

so for example, if you tapped someone on their kneecap and they kicked you in the balls, if you're a guy, then that's an involuntary action )

I trust you I wouldnt trust my legal knowledge anyway...I tried to argue with my teacher that Asportation was a seperate element (not part of the actus) and that larceny had no "causation" *i think i wrote it in an exam* then he told me to think about it and realised I was an idiot (duh the fact that the defendants "actus" was the cause of the deprivation of the property *rolles eyes* if my teacher didnt study law at uni I may have gotten away with it

Actually Legal was funny today when my teacher was discussing the Franklin Dam case *I hate environmental law* and said "Held 4-3. Ratio..." and my friend who does 3u maths is sitting there saying"what has a ratio got to do with anything? 4:3...what?" heee heee hee where maths and the law dont mix

You can follow me around in a few years

Actually, if you do end up doing law, I'm going to graduate much later than you, so I'll follow you around

LOL if I ever get there...you can be my instructing solicitor if you want *is that what its called? I dunno thats wat we called it in Mock Trial...and I argued my way out of that postition into a barrister postion after one trial...it didnt aloow me to talk...I love talking* also you can get the case law books down off the shelf for me...I think i'll need a chair to reach them

 

[wrong_turn]

haha you and balls frigid.....

once in law you are in a different ballpark to the hsc. you will then proceed to have two balls in the ballpark

 

[monzi]

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MoonLightSonata. I didn't believe it either, she showed me her transcripts. She's incredible. She walks and talks law. She's completing her masters now whilst working at Freehills.

The lowest mark she got for one subject I remember seeing was about 75. Everything else was above that. And you call tell she loves it, she's always willing to help people.

 

[xeuyrawp]

haha you and balls frigid.....

once in law you are in a different ballpark to the hsc. you will then proceed to have two balls in the ballpark

Ahahah, that is so, so true. And I haven't even done legal studies, or a law unit yet.

 

[santaslayer]

yes...so reading the other thread topic...who's applying for the associate position???????

remember people...they only accept HD nerds!!

 

[Bobness]

Re: Ppl doing law for the $$$/career prospects..grrr!

Yeah
these people piss me off
at this time of the year in yr12 there's all these randoms who suddenly want to do law just for the money/prestige
often they're the science-types who do 4u maths and only 2u of english (and hence won't necessarily appreciate law)
but they'll get kickarse uai's and get into law easily
Yeah

Yeah.
But if they're the 'Science-types' and not the 'law-types' they'll drop out eventually anyway, or they won't appreciate the job they may hold in future. Alternatively, they may be multi talented and have strong abilities in both fields. ie. Moonlight is a nerd, so is Lazarus. Or they may appreciating law more after focussing on Maths and Sciences in the HSC.

Anyway, passion does not put food on the table. Some people might be lucky enough to have everything their way, but these people come rare. Plumbers aren't plumbers because they like the smell of toilets. Similarly, funeral organisers aren't funeral organisers because they like to hang around the deceased. They do it to survive.

I've heard a LOT of friends and other people who put the blame on others when they can't get the desired UAI. They blame it on 'randoms' who do it for the money or prestige and these 'randoms' are the reason why they couldn't get into their course because they made the cutoff skyrocket. I mean, if you really had the passion and interest in a course, you'd go all the way to Whoop Whoop to study it. The universities in Sydney are not the ONLY universities in AUSTRALIA or NSW for that matter. Anyway, I've read somewhere that experts say that a UAI of 80 is quite sufficent to complete an LLB.

Yeah.

A+++plus will read again.

I would probably admit that my views were similar to bustinjustin previously, however santaslayer (the real lawyer here) has swayed me to see it from an alternate viewpoint.

Idealism is superfluous if one is applying it to a profession. I'm so going for gold in uni studies now to layk make up for my small penis (uai).

To other 4u eng, legal studies (as bookie would say, law for down's sufferers), humanities types, you can probably find ways to justify how law & litigation would suit your well-learned, verbose nature.

But don't blame your shortcomings on others who equally seek the degree you so cherish (even if it is for the perceived 'prestige & money' reasons).

p.s. old thread, but bumping it up because it garnered many views.

 

[RogueAcademic]

Re: --

MoonLightSonata. I didn't believe it either, she showed me her transcripts. She's incredible. She walks and talks law. She's completing her masters now whilst working at Freehills.

The lowest mark she got for one subject I remember seeing was about 75. Everything else was above that. And you call tell she loves it, she's always willing to help people.

Out of interest - for someone who passionately lives and breathes the law, what area of law did she choose to specialise in? Is she complementing her chosen specialisation with her masters degree?

 

[monzi]

To be honest I dont know exactly why? I have wanted to study law since about year 7-8? I dont know what drew it to me in the first place, but I do know that I find it really interesting. I LOVE Legal Studies and MOCK TRIAL...and am constantly watch stuff like law and order. I just find studying law really interesting and would love to be a barrister.

I also drive everyone mad in my house...with legal terminology and telling them why that was wrong on law and order...or what the legal principles are surrounding current affairs

:uhhuh: I just know its what I really want to do

LOL, Mock Trial and Year 12 Legal studies in my opinion DOES NOT represent Law @ uni in any way. Law and Order is all bullshit as well, go to a real court room and watch criminal trials etc and it's NOTHING like that. Slower process as well.

Law is not as glamourous as everybody makes it out to be, I work in a legal firm to complement my law degree and it is HARD work. The pay is not that good either but I only stay because its excellent experience I get to actually deal with matters on my own under supervision from senior solicitors.

I work more then 50 hour weeks when I'm on Uni holidays sometimes more and the money they pay me is not great. So don't be sucked into the whole 'Law = Rich' Because it's just not true.

 

[melsc]

^ Ahh I hate to see my old posts, I really was such an anoying weirdo, I make me sick lol. I did realise to an extent that I wasn't getting the real deal (esp because I did work experience at Legal Aid not at al glamorous) but studying law now puts it much more in perspective.

I'm still trying to get a law related part time job

 

[bustinjustin]

^ Ahh I hate to see my old posts, I really was such an anoying weirdo, I make me sick lol. I did realise to an extent that I wasn't getting the real deal (esp because I did work experience at Legal Aid not at al glamorous) but studying law now puts it much more in perspective.

I'm still trying to get a law related part time job

Same here haha, and i started this godforsaken thread. Oh well, guess I'll have to live with it.

 

[Newbie]

its ok everyone sells out sooner or later

 

[kartika]

money, career prospects and prestige... I think are pretty valid reasons

 

[Suvat]

How much do the top tiers pay grads anyway?

 

[Jamo-S]

How much do the top tiers pay grads anyway?

Roughly $65,000 for 1st year grads.

Also I wouldn't worry about the people who do Law purely for the money. At Macquarie they've got a course that we jokingly call the 'discriminator'. Jurisprudence. It's a first year subject offered in the first semester. I managed to scrape through but I know several who dropped out within the first 2 lectures after listening to the professor drone on about legal positivism

 

[Newbie]

unsw has one too
law and social theory

haha its like a big fuck you to all the commerce students

 

[melsc]

as does UWS - Law Foundation