Postmodernism (3 Viewers)

[Lolliana]

is it just me, or are 'postmodern' students in some weird english minority? apparently it was one of the worst modules in last HSC, meaning the students doing postmodernism, did the worst out of english ext 1 students as a whole.
anyway, ive done my trial, god it was painful, and i have about 7 pages of typed, sort-of-good-if-a-bit-patchy, notes with quotes, so if anyone would like to swap
or discuss
or whinge
give us a shout

 

[truly-in-bliss]

you are def da minority..lol...

however on the bright side because it is realtively one of the hardest..hence if you do it well..u tend to get da highest marks....this is evdient in the past hsc resutls....

however, on the down side....the past hsc results will also tell u dat among the lower scoring candidates..pomo students were also a significant group...

i def wont say it is da worest, one of the most challenign would be more correct....

cuz first of all ...the chosen texts are wonderful in terms of flexibility.....pomo is really for students who are creative and original in their thinking... this is evident as there aint much matieral on soem of the tets eg: David Williamson's *Dead White Males*..so this is where students who are original in their thinking can shine the brightest as compared to a more 'formulaic' elective such as revenge tragedy...

if you have ani questions abt pomo...eg: paradigm/discourse...context..other related texts etc...just leave a message.....i ahve a lot of notes on pomo ....i am doing my Major Work on it and personalli i love pomo more than ani of the other electives.......

truly in bliss

 

[McLake]

About the minority thing, I can't remember the exact figures but I believe 1/2 the ext1 eng peoplke do Crime, 1/4 do Indvidual and Society and the rest do the other subjects, with only about 100 doing the mionr subjects. Sorry!

 

[Mike85]

Anyone want to swap notes or essays with me???
I have a fair amount of stuff on postmodernism, send me a message if you want to (i have MSN, so send me ur addy if u want me to add u 2 my list)

 

[Lolliana]

love to swap notes with you MIke,
i have my sketchy trial stuff, and possibly a few essay notes, i would send my essays but they are all hand written
my email is polyhymnia_muse6@hotmail.com

 

[spin spin sugar]

Originally posted by truly-in-bliss
if you have ani questions abt pomo...eg: paradigm/discourse...context..other related texts etc...just leave a message.....i ahve a lot of notes on pomo ....i am doing my Major Work on it and personalli i love pomo more than ani of the other electives.......

i am the same--i love postmodernism, i like the texts, and i think it is interesting work..
i am also centring my major work around postmodernism-- what are you doing?

 

[KarmaKitten]

Thats depressing, thats the section we do next term in year 12.

 

[iambored]

is that really the breakdown? wow, i didnt realise so many ppl did crime!

 

[anti]

IMO crime is the largest because it's the most generic (easiest concepts to grasp).

On the other hand, it makes it hard to get TOP marks (which of course you are all aiming for ) because there are so many people doing it.

I did pomo, and loved it until I realised that our society is now in neopostmodernism (or postpostmodernism, or beyondpostmodernism, or postwhatserism)

 

[Lolliana]

post modernism is really interesting, the texts are great...well when i say great....i mean interesting....and when i say interesting i mean complex...actually when i say complex what i really mean, is that after a while the texts will really shit you but theres plenty of scope for debate and arguments come naturally.

what is fantastic about postmodernism is that the knowledge you learn can help in subjects as diverse as vis arts, ext hist, and adv eng. i find the course and the wide reading fascinating,
if you're doing pomo next year, i firmly believe that it will make you a better student but certainly not a happier one

 

[Jethro G]

we must realise that there needs to be a change in values for a new period to take hold. people have moved away from the typical postmodernist ideals, yes. but noone realises where we are now. i dont pretend to, but i think maybe

we should call it

confusionism

what do you think?

 

[gloria*]

Oh blah. I totally disagree with such general, all-encompassing statements.

If Ive learned ANYTHING from postmodernism, it's that theories such as postmodernism and 'neopostmodernism' (though logically I suppose you cannot call it that) can in no way apply to a whole society.

Some genres of literature, I would suggest, may have moved beyond any ideal of postmodern theory of thought and technique, but Western society itself - in terms of ideal - has barely moved forth from many of the so-called characteristics of modernism (due of course to the fact that much of the authority over society has remained unchanged; and also because the nature of that authority hasn't changed.)

Jethro has a point when he suggests that there need be a change in value for a new period to 'take hold', however before that even happens there need be a certain amount of recognition of problems / issues that force change to exist.

Consequently, I might suggest that many aspects our <I>culture</I> and the institutions that uphold that culture if not our society have remained largely unchanged, or if anything, has become neo-<I>modern</I>. Look for example (wholly avoiding examples within literature) at the recent dealings of the Catholic Church in relation to gay relationships etc. In some respects Western society is no more progressed than it was in the fifties-- I don't see how a term neopostmodernism can possibly apply, considering that - even despite advances in technology and knowledge empowerment etc - society is yet to question to a real extent many values of modernism, let alone function in a mode defined as 'postmodern.'

I should also point out that the society and the theory of society are entirely separate (eg - thus why Marxism failed.)

 

[spin spin sugar]

i disagree but i can't be bothered to say why in any great detail. i just tried to write up a worthy response but it was all incoherent and vague and rambly.

anyway yeah, i do think society has changed a lot and has moved on from modernism, but then postmodernism does not set out to abandon modernism totally does it? i see at as embracing some facets, rejecting others and generally bastardising it for it's own cause...

i think the vital change is consumerism and the way in which we are becoming an increasingly capital-driven society. i think we've morphed into more and more capitalised forms and will continue to do so.

i understand your example with the church and gay marriage etc but look - the whole world is seriously cringing over that. would that be the reaction 50 years ago? sure a few rednecks are probably going 'yeah!!' but i do think the majority of 'aware' individuals think that church and state should be two entirely seperate entities. of course that is pure speculation, but i guess everything both you and i have just said is anyway.
and with a view to homosexuality in general... i think we have definitely moved away from modernist society in that respect.

in short: i think we still have some qualities of a modernist society, you can apply SOME postmodern theory to our society as well (e.g Postmodernism or the Cultural logic of Late Capitalism by Jameson) and in other ways yes i believe we are constantly evolving and possibly into the postpostpostmodern stage


edit: hahahah yes we're all such experts.

 

[gloria*]

spinsugar, I think the general publics lack of understanding of postmodernism is enough to assert the fact that the modernist view / frame of mind is far from abandoned or even evolved.

postmodernism as a way of thinking is barely understood -- people (theoreticians aswell you would know) reject the very nature of it because they can't get past the surface idea that postmodernism breaks down and questions the very idea of meaning and interpretation. this reaction in itself is one of a modern ideal.

many historians entirely reject postmodernism because it makes a mockery of history // method of approaching history (I wont insult your intelligence by name dropping).

you need to remember that your society is not full of postmodern experts or even what some may call 'intelligent.'

note also: postmodernism does not have a mind of its own-- it doesn't do its own thing; it's defined by exactly how we apply it.

 

[spin spin sugar]

but do you think that the general public understands modernism?

 

[gloria*]

i think the general public IS modernism.

communication and technology and globalisation etcetc effect only so much of a way of life. localise it. you still have a christian family sitting down to eat at 7 o clock. and also, the people [MEN] who determine your laws and your government come directly from the period termed (albeit loosely) modernism.

trying to jump out of a frame that has existed since the enlightenment doesn't occur in the space of 50 years, even despite recent global developments. social communication and socio-psychological behaviour (basic interpretation of knowledge and belief blahblah) are the core of socialisation --- they can't change with the clicks of fingers; ritual can't disappear.

why do you think it took the cave men so bloody long to make their wheel?

 

[mandz]

gloria stick it up ur arse your messages reak with "i'm trying so hard to impress people i do not know with rambling sentences, verbosity and empty euphemisms" .. pfft poser

 

[Netty]

I totally agree with you........no other schools from my region are doing pm, and i absolutely hate it. So really everyone who did it last year did pretty bad? damn. I've got my trials this thursday......yay.........i dont have a clue what pm is all about

 

[gloria*]

mandz,

hi, hihihi FUCK OFF plainly if you cannot see that that conversation was largely STAGED between spinsugar and I, then you shouldn't be commenting. really.

also. the verbosity? words that may not exist in YOUR vocab do in fact exist in the vocabs of others, and yeah, they have meanings, especially in relation to postmodernism.

lastly, I do in fact know a lot of the people I talk to on this board.

you've made 4 posts on this board. I can't BELIEVE you wasted 1 of them just trying to make me look bad. fuckwit.

 

[mandz]

Ha Ha Ha

looks like i won that argument, gloria dear, considering that you resort to swearing to execute your point... and you said your vocab was how big?? ha ha ha ha ha ha losers such as yourself crack me up...

and yes, i am select about who I choose to insult, particularly if they are engaging in a nonesensical "intellectual" [or not so intellectual - perhaps even juvenile] debate, which explains my 4 - well now 5 posts, as opposed to your 60 + posts [also suggesting your lack of social contact]

cheers, loser