Removal of Conics from Syllabus (1 Viewer)

[Captain Gh3y]

Why don't you write a submission?

I did. Here it is:

http://www.angelfire.com/ab7/fourunit/submission3.pdf

PMA3 A more formal treatment of functions is required, e.g., f(x) : R → R : x 7→ x3.

Yes! The whole course is built on functions but it's never made clear what a function is.

MA5 Students should be able to solve dN/dt = kN

This is also sensible since it's already halfway in there already

 

[kurt.physics]

Why don't you write a submission?

I did. Here it is:

http://www.angelfire.com/ab7/fourunit/submission3.pdf

I like the sound of that!

 

[cheney31]

HSC is hopeless....
look at what they have done to all science courses..

thank god i will be finishing it this year...




the ultimate aim is to wipe out the vast asian population in uni by removing harder math and includes harder english..thats what they trying to do.. u guys are out-of-the-point.. they are NOT trying to teach anything in HSC. the ultimate aim of the HSC is to select student to the uni and they are goin to be protective and keep all the native australians to the best advantagable position possible...

 

[minijumbuk]

HSC is hopeless....
look at what they have done to all science courses..

thank god i will be finishing it this year...




the ultimate aim is to wipe out the vast asian population in uni by removing harder math and includes harder english..thats what they trying to do.. u guys are out-of-the-point.. they are NOT trying to teach anything in HSC. the ultimate aim of the HSC is to select student to the uni and they are goin to be protective and keep all the native australians to the best advantagable position possible...

+ 1000

 

[lyounamu]

HSC is hopeless....
look at what they have done to all science courses..

thank god i will be finishing it this year...




the ultimate aim is to wipe out the vast asian population in uni by removing harder math and includes harder english..thats what they trying to do.. u guys are out-of-the-point.. they are NOT trying to teach anything in HSC. the ultimate aim of the HSC is to select student to the uni and they are goin to be protective and keep all the native australians to the best advantagable position possible...

I see.

 

[dwarven]

http://www.angelfire.com/ab7/fourunit/submission3.pdf

PMX6​

A more formal treatment of chaos is required. Chaos arises in many other contexts
and it is misleading to suggest it only comes from the logistic equation.

​

wth is Chaos? ​

 

[cutemouse]

They may as well attach 'Suggested Answers' at the back of the blood exam!

 

[shaon0]

I heard they're removing conics from the 4U syllabus from next year and replacing it with statistics.
Apparently they've wanted to remove it for some time...
Anyone else heard of it?

they should take conics out and put matrices, stats and differential equations into the syllabus.

 

[-tal-]

They're replacing conics with something called Discrete Maths. It's probability/stats related - I've heard it's first year uni maths with a failure rate of about 50%

 

[Trebla]

They're replacing conics with something called Discrete Maths. It's probability/stats related - I've heard it's first year uni maths with a failure rate of about 50%

Discrete Mathematics and Statistics (which involves probability) are two different fields of mathematics. I don't know where you got your information from, but most people find Discrete Maths rather easy, similar thing for Statistics at least in first year university unless you never did maths in the HSC.

 

[bored of sc]

Is Conics hard? What does it involve?

 

[tommykins]

it is further parametrics.

requires very good algebraic skills.

abit of abstract thought but its mainly pretty simple

 

[bored of sc]

requires very good algebraic skills.

Epp!

 

[-tal-]

Discrete Mathematics and Statistics (which involves probability) are two different fields of mathematics. I don't know where you got your information from, but most people find Discrete Maths rather easy, similar thing for Statistics at least in first year university unless you never did maths in the HSC.

My 4u teacher. he failed it 4 times.

 

[Trebla]

My 4u teacher. he failed it 4 times.

LOL!!!

 

[Harkaraj]

I also heard of these changes, but I thought they were being implemented for the 2009 HSC.
Conics is pretty awesome and statistics in year 10 seemed really boring, but it does seem to have more relevance to some later studies. But for HSC purposes seems like 4U will get more boring...

 

[Trebla]

Unfortunately, many people think they can get a general idea of what Statistics is like based on junior school. Let me tell you now, university statistics is NOTHING like the boring junior statistics.

Here's a taste of first year uni statistics:
http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/UG/JM/MATH1905/r/1905ex5.pdf
http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/UG/JM/MATH1905/r/1905ex6.pdf
http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/UG/JM/MATH1905/r/1905ex7.pdf

Obviously, most of it is foreign to a lot of you. But some familiar aspects to note are probability and INTEGRATION. This stuff is much more interesting than the stuff currently taught at school. If some of these topics move into the HSC course if they're not there already, that would be great. It would also make first year statistics much easier (like the calculus parts did), particularly since it is compulsory in some courses.

 

[kaz1]

Unfortunately, many people think they can get a general idea of what Statistics is like based on junior school. Let me tell you now, university statistics is NOTHING like the boring junior statistics.

Here's a taste of first year uni statistics:
http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/UG/JM/MATH1905/r/1905ex5.pdf
http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/UG/JM/MATH1905/r/1905ex6.pdf
http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/UG/JM/MATH1905/r/1905ex7.pdf

Obviously, most of it is foreign to a lot of you. But some familiar aspects to note are probability and INTEGRATION. This stuff is much more interesting than the stuff currently taught at school. If some of these topics move into the HSC course if they're not there already, that would be great.

It looks like harder probability to me. Doesn't really seem like statistics with no mode, mean, standard deviation and all that stuff.

 

[Trebla]

It looks like harder probability to me. Doesn't really seem like statistics with no mode, mean, standard deviation and all that stuff.

Exactly my point. There's more to statistics than just "mode, mean, standard deviation". Probability is a huge component of statistics, as is integration.

I forgot to mention that a powerful tool in statistics is inference, which is basically translating a bunch of numbers into information you can interpret and make a conclusion about. This does involve your mean and standard deviation, but it's mixed with probability concepts and models.

From: http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/UG/JM/MATH1905/r/tute08/tute09.pdf
E.g. Q2 of the problem sheet: "On the basis of the twelve pairs of weights and the sign test would you conclude that there is strong evidence that the scales measure differently on average?"

This is basically using statistics to prove a claim or disprove a claim.

 

[cyl123]

First year Discrete maths in UNSW topics are:
- Set theory, functions and sequences
- Modular arithmetic (basically divisibility crap and eucliden algorithm) and relations (equivalence and partial)
- Logic and Proofs (AWESOMELY FUN TOPIC eg. p implies q is true when p is false in all cases)
- Counting techniques (Permutations and combinations, NOT STATISTICAL) and recursive techniques
- Graph theory

Discrete maths is NOTHING like statistics as it involves more abstract (BUT not difficult) theory which requires an unassuming mind (which is probably why some ppl may find it difficult), while statistics is just applying techniques learnt to do more practical problems as Trebla mentioned.