Saddam Hussien's Verdict (2 Viewers)

[pc_wizz]

wat do you think the jury will put the verdict as ... and what sentence

oh ye ... saddam has already been put under court arrest for acts of contempt to the court (ie he swore at the judge )

so wat do you reckon

pcwizz

 

[tWiStEdD]

He's as good as dead. He cannot get a fair trial.
I say the Americans are only doing this so their hands are 'clean' this time.

Stupid fn Americans....

Saddam Hussien deserves a fair trial, he deserves respect. I really feel for Saddam. He's been unfairly treated, IMHO. The Americans need to take responsibility for what it created, it is NOT all down to Saddam.

Saddam is human, he will be killed, he does not deserve to be since such 'revenge' is just as bad as some of the acts he is supposed to have committed.

I think he should be locked away in a nice little, comfortable cottage in an undisclosed location, supported by the Americans. Since they caused this, they made him they should support him and instead of forcing him to endure all the punishment, they should be punished by keeping him alive in a humane place for the rest of his days.

 

[400miles]

guilty I reckon... but a lesser offense... I don't think it's up to anyone to kill anyone else... but that's just IMO.

EDIT: not lesser offense I meant lesser punishment...

 

[Ziff]

trial should be heard in the ICC...

Agreed.

This trial is in no way fair to Saddam and it allows a few interesting things to happen:

1. Saddam CAN get the death penalty. In an international court he would not be able to be sentenced to the death penalty.
2. It allows the indictments against him to be specified only according to specfic political needs and wants. Notice how the atrocities against the Kurds and his invasion of Kuwait have been mentioned but nothing has been mentioned of the atrocities committed during the Iraq-Iran War? Think about it. Who is really directing these proceedings? What happened during the Russian and American backed Iran-Iraq war?
3. There is no accountability or transparancy. The identity of the judges etc have been obscured for "security reasons". If this was in the ICC there wouldn't be as much of a security threat against the judges. The other question of course is who are the judges, what do they have to hide and why haven't they been offered adequate protection so they can be accountable and transparent?

I think that this is a show trial. America has in the past demonstrated it's ability to use international means very effectively to the benefit of themselves, the people and the international community. Kosovo and Serbia, whilst not outright successes, have worked much better than this Iraq debarcle. Milosovic was overthrown by his own people and the Serbian people made the choice to hand him over to the War Crimes Tribunal (of course they were pressured but still...). At the ICC the judges were known, they were accountable and he was not liable to be given the death penalty. I know that the actions of America are based on their government rather than anything else but still (that's not to say Clinton/Democrats are saints e.g. Sudan).

The death penalty does not reflect our apparent enlightenment and the mercy we're meant to show in what is considered justice. Whilst it is up to debate what justice is and of course all that crap about values etc etc I still don't think that it's in any ones best interests to adopt a message that killing in vengence is acceptable and I don't think that it reflects reasonable international ideals of the way to deal with people beyond a primative and instinct based model.

 

[santaslayer]

Saddam's pretty much dead, although I don't think he should die. He was a great leader.

 

[Shifty]

The prosecuting attorney's are gonna find it pretty hard convicting saddam of committing a crime. i say this because while he was in presidency, according to his laws he never committed a crime and therfore cannot be punished, killing kurds, while he was in power wasnt considered as breaking a law and so wat crime did he committ???. saddam has nothing to do with the international criminal courts because iraq has never signed any treaty and so they have basically no authority to punish him.....usa have also never signed the internation crime treaty thingy, but if they do come up with insufficient evidence, i think he'll be basically handed over to the kurds, with america turning a blind eye.....the kurds will deal with him

 

[Ribbon]

I think saddam was right when he stood up in court and said george bush was the real criminal. They are both as bad as each other!

 

[steph@nie]

It should be heard in the ICC, its the fair thing to do. But it won't, so IMO, I think they'll put Saddam to death.

 

[Cape]

Which is sad...putting him to dealth will solve everything.

Putting him to death won't solve everything ... how can everything be solved when we still have bush as the president of america. he will now find another country small and insignificant to attack!!

 

[Rorix]

Putting him to death won't solve everything ... how can everything be solved when we still have bush as the president of america. he will now find another country small and insignificant to attack!!

If by small and insignificant you mean one with a brutal leader, one with a history of WMD use, one which openly sponsors terrorism, one which has ignored UN sanctions for a decade, one which was the home of Abu Nidal, one which invaded Kuwait, one which attempts to assassinate the US President, one which has fired every day for 10 years at the aircraft which patrol the no fly zone, one which housed terrorists involved in the 1993 WTC attack, one which openly celebrated the events of September 11th, one which houses Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi since 9/11, one which was negotiating with North Korea for the purchase of a missile system, then why yes, I do hope he finds another small and insignificant country to attack.


While I don't support the death penalty, in such an extreme case I'm not actively opposed to it.

I do however reject the ICC.

 

[400miles]

one which attempts to assassinate the US President

And how I wish he'd been successful;.

 

[steph@nie]

Which is sad...putting him to dealth will solve everything

like duh

Putting Hussein to death won't solve anything! He'll be one more trophy head for Bush's cabinet and something for him to tote around saying "look what I did, I rid the world of Saddam Hussein!"
The ICC is the only way that is fair enough to ensure that Hussein gets a fair trial.

 

[Rorix]

And how I wish he'd been successful;.

Oh, I'd love to call you an ignorant fuck, but first I must inquire as to your reasons you thought that George W Bush Snr was deserving of execution, in case you actually know anything about the presidency in question.

I don't think it's up to anyone to kill anyone else

 

[Cape]

If by small and insignificant you mean one with a brutal leader, one with a history of WMD use, one which openly sponsors terrorism, one which has ignored UN sanctions for a decade, one which was the home of Abu Nidal, one which invaded Kuwait, one which attempts to assassinate the US President, one which has fired every day for 10 years at the aircraft which patrol the no fly zone, one which housed terrorists involved in the 1993 WTC attack, one which openly celebrated the events of September 11th, one which houses Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi since 9/11, one which was negotiating with North Korea for the purchase of a missile system, then why yes, I do hope he finds another small and insignificant country to attack.


While I don't support the death penalty, in such an extreme case I'm not actively opposed to it.

I do however reject the ICC.

Um... bush ignored the UN as well, but i suppose its different for him cause hes the president of America.

I wish that he actually assassinated the president.

Half the world probably celebrated the events of sep 11.

And if he was sent to death ... i am sure that his followers from all over the world will have some sort of revenge upon America.

 

[Rorix]

The ICC is the only way that is fair enough to ensure that Hussein gets a fair trial.

Why is the ICC the only way of getting a fair trial?

The ICC has unchecked power. It's a self-initiating prosecutor which answers only to itself. It's also open to politically motivated prosecutions and exploitations.

Surely the ICC should be aiming to promote the rule of law (and it does). But for the rule of law to have true meaning, shouldn't societies be able to accept their own responsibilities and confront their own pasts? If Iraq decides that this is best done in the ICC, then so be it. But should they choose to prosecute Baathist party officials themselves, why should the case be 'kicked up' to the ICC?

 

[steph@nie]

1. Saddam CAN get the death penalty. In an international court he would not be able to be sentenced to the death penalty.
2. It allows the indictments against him to be specified only according to specfic political needs and wants.
3. There is no accountability or transparancy. The identity of the judges etc have been obscured for "security reasons". If this was in the ICC there wouldn't be as much of a security threat against the judges. The other question of course is who are the judges, what do they have to hide and why haven't they been offered adequate protection so they can be accountable and transparent?

I'm using the words of Ziff, because I'm lazy but I agree with him.

 

[Rorix]

Um... bush ignored the UN as well, but i suppose its different for him cause hes the president of America.

No, he didn't. If you're referring to the attack on Iraq, I'd like you to provide me with the UN resolution which stated "The Coalition may not attack Iraq", because there wasn't one. The US and UK already had sufficient legal grounds to attack Iraq based on the previous Iraq resolutions and Iraq's breech of the Gulf War cease-fire agreement, they just went back to the Security Council for the final vote of confident, which France and Germany would have vetoed.

I wish that he actually assassinated the president.

"Oh, I'd love to call you an ignorant fuck, but first I must inquire as to your reasons you thought that George W Bush Snr was deserving of execution, in case you actually know anything about the presidency in question."

Half the world probably celebrated the events of sep 11.

Maybe you did, but civilised people that actually valued and cherished life didn't.

And if he was sent to death ... i am sure that his followers from all over the world will have some sort of revenge upon America.

I think you'll find a large number of Iraqis favour the execution of Saddam, and those that don't would already be pissed off about the Coalition removing Saddam from power, that an Iraqi court sentencing Saddam to death wouldn't further inflame them.

 

[rumour]

I feel sorry for him, he looks so sad.
He looks so innocent, but you have to remember what he did. I don't really understand the Iraqi people, they hate the troops & also want Saddam dead!

Do you see the news today?
There was 2 protests in Baghdad, one pro-Saddam the other anti-Saddam, imagine if they met.

 

[tWiStEdD]

He does, poor fella. I just read the paper and it seems that in a unscientific poll 41% of Iraqis surveyed ('hundreds and hundreds' according to the radio station ( ? )) wanted Saddam freed, about 43% wanted him dead. Interesting state of affairs.

On top of that, a letter to the editor caught my eye. Dr Reverend <insert name here> believes the USA should be on trial too, that'd be nice... if only it were possible. Bush Jnr is a fool, they gave him bucketloads of anthrax for use against Iran in the '88 - '89 war, they blatantly supported him from day one, until the invasion of Kuwait, which (according to Dr Reverend <insert name here>) the US ambassador to Iraq basically gave Saddam the green light for.

This is all just as much the USA's fault as it is Saddam's. I will re-iterate my previous statement; Saddam deserves to be given a nice house in America, supplies of food, TV, radio, computer access and literature not to mention the company of his family. They're more like family, the US administration and Saddam... so why shouldnt they look after each other? It would be nice, but he'll be dead soon anyway... if not by the legal system, then by someone else.

 

[Xayma]

I feel sorry for him, he looks so sad.
He looks so innocent, but you have to remember what he did. I don't really understand the Iraqi people, they hate the troops & also want Saddam dead!

I don't feel sorry for him, he hid away in a hole while the US invaded he's nothing more then a coward.