School Ranks (1 Viewer)

[studygirl118]

Hello everyone!

I have a question; Does the rank of your school play a role in determining your ATAR?

Like say your school is ranked 70th compared to 345th, does that mean you're more likely to get a higher ATAR?
I thought that your school wasn't used in ATAR calculations, but I could be wrong....

 

[pikachu975]

Yeah the school isn't used in calculating your atar

 

[Sp3ctre]

I don't think it's directly used to calculate your ATAR but your internal mark is going to be scaled up more if you're in a school that's ranked higher.

 

[pikachu975]

I don't think it's directly used to calculate your ATAR but your internal mark is going to be scaled up more if you're in a school that's ranked higher.

The school rank is literally irrelevant to your internal and external mark. If you're first in a rank 700 school and get 100 your internal and external mark will be 100 etc as seen by the person who got 100 in english advanced and was from a school ranked 300+

 

[Robbie M]

School rank is used and it is important in moderating internal ranks Eg. First in ENGLISH ADV in Baulkham hills HS is a lot more difficult than a +300 rank school, thus it is moderated appropriately

 

[D94]

It plays no role at all.

 

[pikachu975]

School rank is used and it is important in moderating internal ranks Eg. First in ENGLISH ADV in Baulkham hills HS is a lot more difficult than a +300 rank school, thus it is moderated appropriately

It doesn't because the first in state for english was from like rank 300+ school. The only way school rank affects you is that there's more smart people in high ranked schools so you have a better chance of people boosting your assessment mark by getting really high

 

[chillininthefridge]

Not if you come first by a long shot... the moderation process is very complicated. Eddie Woo (a former James Ruse maths teacher) explains it much better than I can :

 

[jimmysmith560]

what rank is it where its considered low, I go to a 100ish ranked school and my friend goes to a 150ish and we were wondeing what rank is it cosidered shit, like when is it where you need to rank top 3 in every subject to get a 90+ atar, my guess is 250+ but my mate was saying 200+

The specific ranks needed would depend on cohort size. There are schools with large year 12 cohorts, and there are schools with small year 12 cohorts. A school's rank is determined through its success rate, which is the percentage of its cohort's overall HSC results that were of the highest band, i.e. band 6/E4. Assume that for a school ranked 200th, the success rate is 9% (which was the case in 2023), that is, 9% of HSC results were of the top band. We can interpret this in terms of individual subjects to gain a general idea and compare similarly ranked schools with different cohort sizes. If 9% of a cohort will achieve an overall HSC mark in the top band for a particular subject, this could be as follows:

• At a school with a smaller cohort, where 20 students take the subject, a student would need to place among the top 2 students to maximise their chances of an Assessment Mark in the top band, while also having to mirror this standard of performance in the subject's HSC exam, ensuring a result in the top band, which is ideal if the goal is to achieve a 90+ ATAR.
• At a school with a larger cohort, where 100 students take the subject, a student would need to place among the top 10 students to maximise their chances of an Assessment Mark in the top band. Subsequently, the student will also need to perform favourably in the subject's HSC exam.

Of course, the common element is placing among a particular percentage of students, so the goal would be to place as high as possible, regardless of cohort. At the same time, the circumstances would differ slightly based on cohort size. For example, there would be less competition in a smaller cohort but also fewer places at the top (because the top itself is technically smaller), while there would be more competition in a larger cohort, but with more places at the top.

I hope this helps!