Should Religous Schools Be Shut Down? (2 Viewers)

[Captain Gh3y]

FACT: there are people becoming teachers in NSW right now who will get up and abuse a lecturer for 10 minutes when he talks about evolution in science

scary (but also really hilarious)

 

[marinabenyamin]

Imagine, if we combined all the land and money in the world used for churchs, mosques, etc. Could we feed some people or what?

EXCUSE ME BUT BOTH U AND THE GIRL WITH A HAROOFIYING PICTURE OF THE CROSS, IF YOU DID GET YUOR FACTS RIGHT...ITS THE RELIGIOUS GROUPS THAT MOSTLY FUND THESE HOMELESS PEOPLE...

DUE TO RELIGIONNNNNN!

OK TAKE AN ATHEIST, WOULD HE FUND THE POOR PEOPLE? ON WHAT GROUUNDS...NOO HE WOULD BUY IT FOR CIGARETTES OR WATEVER

I THINK RELIGIOUS SCHOOL ARE PERFECTLY FINE...

WHAT U PEOPLE WANT TO DO IS DO WHAT THEY DONT IN THE STOLEN GENERATION, THINK THAT U KNOW EVERYTHING AND ARE PROVIING A BETTER LIVING FOR THESE PEOPLE...WHAT U REALLY WANT TO DO IS STRIP AND ENTHENTICITY OR RELIGIOUS ASPECT OFF EVERYONE SO THEY BECOME JUST AS MEANINGLESS AND SHALLOW AS THOSE PEOPLE WHO DONT HAVE A RELIGION!

 

[marinabenyamin]

It's not really case of belief or not, because unlike Religion Science is based on facts .; Probably the simplest case of Evolution (That we are also taught in Biology, rofl) regards the evolution of Bacteria (through natural selection) as it becomes resistant to anti-biotics - this is not a belief, but observed and 'proven'.



So what, God made it? It's interesting that such a 'loving' god would then tell us to:

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Or even kill a "Rape Victim"

http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

Hey you have everything all wrong..firstly you went to evilbible.com. What do you think you will find? No bias at all of course ...and secondly..

if you knew anything about the bible its not literal murder, it's eternal.. that is heaven/hell...

and then again GOD IS FORGIVING.

if you want to put something forward make sure you know what you're talking about!

 

[cucum3rs]

even though im all for equal opportunity, and by closing down religious school and chucking all the kids in ones with the same level of wealth and academia would be pushing for that, id have to say no.

i know this probably isnt the best example in the world, but its really up to the parents. Some parents want their children to learn manners, so they send us to ettiquete schools. Some parents want their children to focus on sports or performing arts, so they send them to schools which specialise in those areas. So i guess parents who want their children to live virtuously (yes im biased) by the religion in which they believe, send them to religious schools.

i know there'll be backlash, but this is just my opinion - with all its subjectivity

 

[cucum3rs]

EG: I have friend who attend a popular/high profile girls private school, and the Religion 1unit (?) course is compulsory for them. I was interested in what they studied during class, and they told me that they've only studied Christianity, the whole time. THAT'S IT.

p.s.

this isnt a personal attack towards you but wouldnt that be because christianity is one of the modules that can be chosen to study, and as (assuming by your post) they are from a christian school, wouldnt it be more logical to teach on a basis of what is already known? also im pretty sure religion is taught like history extension - where different points of view (i.e. marxist mannefesto, annales etc) are also considered - its not force fed "VOTE JESUS" type of stuff, but more the philosophy of religion.

i too, had a friend who went to a highly prestigious catholic school last year, who undertook the history extension course and studied the historicity of jesus christ elective - which basically sets out all the things which prove/disprove the existence of jesus christ, and thus question the reliability of the foundations of the catholic church.

and correct me if im wrong, but im pretty sure you can choose to drop religion in your hsc year?

 

[schmani]

My school is "religious", but it doesnt tell us that we have to be religious, or believe in God, we are entitled to our own opinions about what we believe.

EG: I have friend who attend a popular/high profile girls private school, and the Religion 1unit (?) course is compulsory for them. I was interested in what they studied during class, and they told me that they've only studied Christianity, the whole time. THAT'S IT.

So, religious schools, ey? Promoting a well-balanced education for the bright minds of the futue. YUP, YEAH RIGHT.

I do 1 unit religion and i hardly studied Christianity. I admit we did a little bit at the end of year 11, but it was about the development of Christianity. We have done other religions, such as Buddhism and about the development of all religions in post 1945 australia, and aboriginal spirituality. I suppose it depends upon the school, as they choose the topics.

So i guess parents who want their children to live virtuously (yes im biased) by the religion in which they believe, send them to religious schools.

your entitled to your own opinion, but i think sending kids to a religious school has nothing to do with whether they will be virtuous or not. At my school its pretty much the same as any other school, im sure if you asked people if they drink and have sex etc, a large percentage would say yes. It doesnt matter what school you go to.

 

[michikochan]

...back to what this thread is about...

It doesnt matter what you believe, obviously your choice of religion will strongly affect what educational institutions you support. The thread was arguing that religious schools, because they encourage people of the same faith to be educated through an institution which confirms these beliefs dont open students to other cultures. On this basis they should be shut down.

If you read earlier posts, I initially said that it was a fair comment and that I agreed with it. However having seen the abuse and lack of respect from athiests I would argue that if individuals who are open about their faith are treated like dirt and told theyre 'idiots' for believing in something greater than themselves then they should go to religious schools and be spared the loud profanities of ignorant and intollerant individuals.

At least religion teaches respect. Perhaps some athiests should take a hint from the bible and treat others how they would like to be treated.

 

[cucum3rs]

i think sending kids to a religious school has nothing to do with whether they will be virtuous or not. At my school its pretty much the same as any other school, im sure if you asked people if they drink and have sex etc, a large percentage would say yes. It doesnt matter what school you go to.

i think you misunderstand me... parents send their children to these schools, for various reason, one of them being that they WANT their children to live virtuously. but as learnt, what we want and what we get are often very different things.

 

[schmani]

well the point of most of what i said was that i disgree that religious schools dont encourage people to be multicultural. my school encourages students to learn about other cultures, such as aboriginals, we were all shown Kevin Rudd's appology to the aboriginals, and we learn about other religions in our various religion subjects. We have people of different nationalities, exchange students and programs with overseas schools which are not nessecarily christian. There are also people of different religions who are at the school because of its good reputation for promoting community etc.
but i will add i do not go to a private religious school. i did, and i left because it created a little community which i didnt belong to, nor did i want to.

i think you misunderstand me... parents send their children to these schools, for various reason, one of them being that they WANT their children to live virtuously. but as learnt, what we want and what we get are often very different things.

im not disagreeing, just that it doesnt make any difference. these days i don't think too many parents are really worried about it anyways.

 

[Captain Gh3y]

without putting in quotes there's a few general comments: tldr version in bold

- religion is distinct from culture; the 2 greatest religions by population have adherents of almost all cultures (christianity from south korea to south america, islam from turkey to indonesia, for example)

- there's nothing virtuous about religion, unless you think that believing something with no evidence, sexual repression or dietary restrictions are virtues. Which I guess they do.

- religion only teaches "respect" for other people of that religion

- most importantly, you can't argue against religion in education on the basis of cultural diversity, because there are secular comprehensive public schools that are 99% racist anglo bogan and not likely to change in the next decade or so, and there are religious private schools that are highly multicultural.

- the argument for me is teaching children something false as divine truth is wrong, to put it as simply as possible

also, the idea that we should respect people's faith (as long as it's a mainstream one, scientologists and pagans get no respect) is overall currently the norm, but should we really?

finally, australia is not a christian country because there's no established religion in the government or constitution; it is a country with a majority population of christians (different thing), although obviously there are far less people who are religious than there are people who give a religion on the census.

 

[youBROKEmyLIFE]

- religion is distinct from culture; the 2 greatest religions by population have adherents of almost all cultures (christianity from south korea to south america, islam from turkey to indonesia, for example)

Yea... and Islam in Iraq is so similar to that practiced in Malaysia.

 

[Captain Gh3y]

really?

i can't tell if you're being sarcastic, lol

i'm not sure about each country but there is a big difference between say the wahabists in Saudi Arabia who are basically fundamentalists, and islam in a lot of africa which is mixed with their tribal beliefs and there's less 'quran bashing', to put it one way

 

[dolbinau]

Hey you have everything all wrong..firstly you went to evilbible.com. What do you think you will find? No bias at all of course ...and secondly..

if you knew anything about the bible its not literal murder, it's eternal.. that is heaven/hell...

and then again GOD IS FORGIVING.

if you want to put something forward make sure you know what you're talking about!

It doesn't matter if it 'bias' - the references are clearly shown in the Bible. Are you going to pretend they don't exist?

Where in the Bible does it suggest these meanings are not literal? Also, It's extremely annoying that you pick and chose which parts of the bible to take literally or not (Ala 'God created the Heavens and the Earths'

I don't understand how you can equate that when someone should be 'Put to death' it really just means they should go to hell.

Also, AFAIK ideas of heaven/hell came from the new testament and not the old one which suggests that perhaps whoever wrote it didn't have that in mind at the time.

 

[Kwayera]

My apologies, it has indeed been a long day.
I do not know the answers to your statements, nor do i have the time at this present moment. But what i can come up with is this....

I believe there are only only two widely accepted reasons for creation:

• The Bible’s creation account.
• The Theory of Evolution.

My beliefs are based around the idea that everything in this world has a creator. For example if I found a wristwatch in the middle of a field, I would not assume that it just “appeared” out of nowhere or that it had always existed. Based on the watch’s design, I would assume it had a designer. But I see far greater design and precision in the world around us.

What design? What precision? The earth has patterns, yes, and complex may they be (be they biological or geological or geographical or referring to climate), but there is no cause to claim that they are designed. One can trace the origin and development - the evolution - of such patterns clearly throughout history and today, and in no way is it mutually inclusive of design.

Our measurement of time is not based on wristwatches, but on God’s handiwork—the regular rotation of the earth. The universe displays great design, and this argues for a Great Designer.

Our measure of time is arbitrary; different cultures had different measures of time. We've just chosen the rotation of the earth and its orbit around the sun as the most globally useful.

The universe doesn't display great design at all. How does it possibly display design?

My understanding of evolution is a tad less than i would like it to be.
But i myself do not believe that humans could evolve from animals.
That is just my personal opinion.

Humans ARE animals, by any sense of the word. Our brains do not exclude us from being animals. We evolved from other animals, and we still are animals.

Though, i do know that no scientific, provable evidence supporting the theory of evolution has emerged since Charles Darwin popularized it in 1859.
So i see no alternative.

Wrong. So wrong. Pay attention in science class! There is so much evidence for evolution "since Charles Darwin" that it's not even funny. Bacteria! Fossil evidence of said bacteria and fish and amphibians and reptiles and birds and mammals! Even us!
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[Gosford]

If we take them away, why not take away selective schools. After all are they not 'segregating' society.

I agree with pretty much your whole post!
I was just thinking though about other schools with like minded pople just like relgious.
Religious= people of a relgion
Performing Arts schiool= performers
Sport High School= Sportspersons
Technology School= technology focused people
Agriculutral Schools= Agricultural focused people (with exception of JRHS)
etc.

 

[Gosford]

Imagine, if we combined all the land and money in the world used for churchs, mosques, etc. Could we feed some people or what?

Maybe...but may I remind you that without these religions (which need places of worship) there would be very little donations to poverty strikcen countries.
Most organsations that I know of in Africa are Christian ran organisations!

 

[Captain Gh3y]

Performing Arts Schools = Students who show talent in performing arts
Sport High School= Students who show talent in sports

Religious schools = Students who show talent in... ???

 

[Gosford]

wat bout the other 2?

 

[Captain Gh3y]

'Technology' refers to schools that about 10 years ago were granted that name because they had a couple of rooms full of computers, it's mostly meaningless now (i went to one).

 

[Gosford]

Or just people with religious parents who want to force their crackpot ideologies onto their children.

but alas they still count as people odf the religion...well at least according to most people not to mention in the census!