smh: new light on where money goes for private schools (2 Viewers)

[SylviaB]

fuck off you rich jewish cunt. Pay for your own education if you want to but dont fucking scab more money from the working class tax payer.

lol working class tax payers


huge contributors

 

[philphie]

at least the working class don't dodge as much seeing how there'd be no point, how much would you actually save?

 

[JonathanM]

you might as well just say governments should use their education budget only on public schools to better facilities and teaching to produce well educated individuals in the workforce. private schools already have their fees and compulsory school donations to create well educated individuals plus alumni support

No.

Choice is good, trust.

 

[0bs3n3]

is that an insult or a compliment? i can never tell with you

lol + 1.

 

[philphie]

No.

Choice is good, trust.

could you expand on that please

 

[JonathanM]

could you expand on that please

Private schools and even home schooling provide an alternate avenue of education. Many private schools have their own agenda; most often religion, but there are now arising a number of private schools that focus on particular areas, like John Marsden's school which focuses on writing and others which focus on maths and science.

This variety adds depth to the education sector as well as competition and a bench mark for government schools, who might otherwise become apathetic and lose direction (i.e. the principle of Mac Rob, the select government school previously ranked first in the Victoria spoke to The Age about how their students and teachers were motivated to work harder to try to keep their no. 1 ranking, which has ultimately been taken by a private school, Mount Scopus, and how they now expected the next group of students and teachers to work harder to reclaim it.)

 

[philphie]

Private schools and even home schooling provide an alternate avenue of education. Many private schools have their own agenda; most often religion, but there are now arising a number of private schools that focus on particular areas, like John Marsden's school which focuses on writing and others which focus on maths and science.

This variety adds depth to the education sector as well as competition and a bench mark for government schools, who might otherwise become apathetic and lose direction (i.e. the principle of Mac Rob, the select government school previously ranked first in the Victoria spoke to The Age about how their students and teachers were motivated to work harder to try to keep their no. 1 ranking, which has ultimately been taken by a private school, Mount Scopus, and how they now expected the next group of students and teachers to work harder to reclaim it.)

ok, but what does this have to do with our discussion about putting government expenses into public schools rather than private schools when they can obviously facilitate their own funding

 

[Planck]

ok, but what does this have to do with our discussion about putting government expenses into public schools rather than private schools when they can obviously facilitate their own funding

Base level of funding for all students.

 

[JonathanM]

ok, but what does this have to do with our discussion about putting government expenses into public schools rather than private schools when they can obviously facilitate their own funding

Just an argument for the existence of private schools, which in turn need Government funding to survive.

They cannot facilitate their own funding, that's the thing. Many private schools fall short every year. I went to a (smaller) private school and it was in dire financial straits, saved only by a grant from the government. I know of others who have to have huge fundraisers every year to get themselves over the line.

The private schooling 'industry' is not a monopoly where the schools are banding together fixing prices. There is a lot of choice as to where you can send your child and as a result, the prices are competitive. The schools are always trying to bust down their prices in order to attract more students; the prices they give are an accurate reflection of how much they need in order to survive running a school.

 

[philphie]

Just an argument for the existence of private schools, which in turn need Government funding to survive.

They cannot facilitate their own funding, that's the thing. Many private schools fall short every year. I went to a (smaller) private school and it was in dire financial straits, saved only by a grant from the government. I know of others who have to have huge fundraisers every year to get themselves over the line.

The private schooling 'industry' is not a monopoly where the schools are banding together fixing prices. There is a lot of choice as to where you can send your child and as a result, the prices are competitive. The schools are always trying to bust down their prices in order to attract more students; the prices they give are an accurate reflection of how much they need in order to survive running a school.

well in nsw we have 5 different types of schools: comprehensive public, selective, Catholic systemic, independent and private. catholic systemic schools and independent schools are governed under one head body which means the fees you might pay for one school does not go directly to your school but is dispersed equally across other schools that are part of the association so in that matter i can understand the need for some government funding. a private school which has a base yearly fee of over 20 grand (which is almost all of them) is in my opinion well off and self sufficient. in sydney there really are no smaller private schools except rather independent schools which have fees between 5-15 grand anyway which is reasonable and applicable to some government funding. in nsw busting down fee costs is a rare thing in a private school.

there is a reason why fees inflate year after year, it is like rent inflation, landowners and school boards know the tennants and parents desire to stay within their services no matter what, so do you think these kind of private schools (which in nsw are the majority) need government assistance?

 

[philphie]

Just an argument for the existence of private schools, which in turn need Government funding to survive.

They cannot facilitate their own funding, that's the thing. Many private schools fall short every year. I went to a (smaller) private school and it was in dire financial straits, saved only by a grant from the government. I know of others who have to have huge fundraisers every year to get themselves over the line.

The private schooling 'industry' is not a monopoly where the schools are banding together fixing prices. There is a lot of choice as to where you can send your child and as a result, the prices are competitive. The schools are always trying to bust down their prices in order to attract more students; the prices they give are an accurate reflection of how much they need in order to survive running a school.

and i'm not against the existence of private schools, you're right we should have options

 

[philphie]

I don't understand the difference between independent and private....?

independent schools as far as i can have some sort of system to subsidise the cost of fees (at least for most of them) it confusing though however, but an example is St Pats Strathfield. on surface they look like a typical top notch private school with the exception there fees are only $5000

 

[Riet]

St Pats doesnt seem like a top notch private school...

Also Azza, less students at the school should also bring the operating costs down, assuming the fees are a true reflection of what the student is receiving.

 

[JonathanM]

It justifies the funding of certain private schools.

Yes. And where private schools which do not need government funding are receiving it, I would challenge this. However money doesn't grow on trees and I doubt the government would be prone to too much frivolous spending. I'm sure most of the money goes where it's needed.

 

[philphie]

this makes no sense. subsidise fees?

like i said i was just making a guess, i don't actually know how these kind of independent schools keep their fees at relatively low amounts

 

[philphie]

Yes. And where private schools which do not need government funding are receiving it, I would challenge this. However money doesn't grow on trees and I doubt the government would be prone to too much frivolous spending. I'm sure most of the money goes where it's needed.

i've seen the statistics for government fundings into sydney's most expensive schools and they are of a considerable amount

 

[Name_Taken]

^ Sadly so.