some questions about medicine (2 Viewers)

[complex]

so, i still have a couple of questions.

one of the paths to get into medicine would be, do b.sc(adv), the gamsat then get into med at sydney uni, correct?

how long will it all take? the bachelor will take 3 years, medicine will take 7(?) then id have to do an internship?

how would you go about getting into the research industry? nobody is just going to hire you straight out of med school are they? what about working at a hospital/doing research?

how long is it going to take all up, including a specialty.

 

[Templar]

The combined degree should have the same hours as the individual degrees, so about 25 hours for first year science (gets slightly better in later years), and ditto for stage 1 and 2 of med. I would hardly call the science program intense (if that's intense, what I've been doing for the past 2 years must be hell).

If you take the GAMSAT path, it still takes you 7 years. The combined program only saves you an interview and doing GAMSAT, not any actual time. Grad med is a 4 year program.

I don't know too much about research, since unlike nit I want to starting working asap and can't afford all that study and research. For a more complete info on life after med school, check the med forum in general tertiary.

Straight out of med school you work as an intern for one year. Only after that would you be registered as a medical practitioner. After that you would become a resident for a year, and then at least 5 or so years of studying for your specialty. So all up at least 7 years after med school, or 14 in total (if using 7 years of uni).

While I'm all for specific questions on the combined program, I'm starting to get tired of the general questions. Use the search function, and the specific forums.

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

Thanx, so u are basically saying that if i wanted to become a specialist, if i had done research earlier i would be able to get the adv research part of specialisation out of the way? So if i wanted to become a specialist in the field of neurology say and i would also like to be involved in research in neuroscience, then what would you recommend for me to do in uni and just after uni? And so if I work and research then basically i won't have a life? The reason i'm asking is that i did some reading on careers involved in this field and one guy said that most of these doctors are actually practising and conducting research at the same time. Thanx in advanced

Well only with a MD (from Aust. not US) or PhD (<--wiki these)
learning to research is a b*tch that medical schools do not teach u about, in fact learning to do it is best done hands on.. like in a PhD or honours project or just for the heck of it..

IF YOU do an research degree in ure specialty WHEN you are like 30's for ure fellowship.. (you do both at once).. ure research training and your adv research component can get killed at once.. because they are in the same fields or relevant. it actualli takes slightly longer than the minimum adv research ure suppose to do.

OK in ure instance..
1) i might take the honours yr to learn how to write papers, research, network and be bored out of my mind for 1yr.. (if possible take more clinical work..so its more practical.. theoretical work is good but hard to build on in the future)
2) In med school Id do alot of different rotations and see if i realli lik neurology (plz note.. neuro bores the living crap out of me)
3) id consider doing either more research as a degree or just for the hell of it..
4) Id meet and greet ppl and make friends/contacts with my seniors/supervisors (<== important!!!)
5) do alot of other medicine in the mean time because learning things in say orthopedics will help in neuro.. medicine is not 1 dimensional .. its interrelated

you will have a life but u have to learn to spread it out.. many ppl dun complete specialisation in the minimum timeframe.. cos u dun have to.. and why bother? its not like the HSC

I dont think so Haque. Most people who do grad med have a bsc under their belt and dont get a reduced specialty training timeframe. I imagine it would be the same as everyone else.

ure right.. i was referring to research masters, PhDs and MDs done while in late 20s to late 30s.. and if anything they dun reduce the timeframe but minimise the amount of work you have to do just for the fellowship..

how long will it all take? the bachelor will take 3 years, medicine will take 7(?) then id have to do an internship?.

yes u start an internship about 8 yrs after u start university
then u do some work about 1+ yrs .. then u try and get into a specialty program.. then another 3-7+ yrs till u work independently

how would you go about getting into the research industry? nobody is just going to hire you straight out of med school are they? what about working at a hospital/doing research? .

yes they are.. they will hire you to do research as an assistant or a research associate.. or as a student doing a PhD..

after ure higher degrees u then get rehired as staff and u train and research

hospital departments have ways of practicing medicine and doing research.. you will learn to juggle

how long is it going to take all up, including a specialty.

about 9-16 yrs? from the start of university till the start of working independently..

but after 5-6 yrs u get paid.. as an intern.

read this:.. medicine is not short..nor pretty.. sorry guys.. :burn:
http://www.csiro.au/scope/profiles/Medical.htm

Definately search,post or check:
http://community.boredofstudies.org/332/medicine-medical-health-studies/
http://www.medstudentsonline.com/forums/
http://vtac.proboards103.com/

I reckon you should listen to templar and search for the information.. and keep this to the combined program..

 

[haque]

thanx-neuro seemed interesting but i haven't experienced it first hand lol.

 

[complex]

thanks for the answers guys, i really appreciate it.

just one final question with this combined degree thing, is that where you do graduate work on your bachelors or just learn more about areas about science your interested in, while doing med? or is it something totally different.

 

[velox]

Omg, its not hard to use google.

Its a combined program. You do your Bsc first. Then do your mbbs. Quite simple. They are seperate. You join the graduate cohort of the USYD GMP. Some of your fellow students will be bsc grads, some law grads, engineering grads etc.

 

[complex]

i searched the forums for a while and i googled, i couldnt find info on it. i was just confused

 

[Templar]

i searched the forums for a while and i googled, i couldnt find info on it. i was just confused

The combined degree should have the same hours as the individual degrees,

And if this has not been stated before, you do your adv science/med science component first, and then med. Not concurrently.

Gosh, it's even on the same page!

 

[complex]

i missed it i guess, sorry :[

 

[mado954]

i have a place in the combined medicine program thing at usyd which i have deffered but i was told by them that they have taken away the rule that your have to keep your marks above anything now!!