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State Signs HELP!!! (1 Viewer)

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I'm doing HSC Chemistry and I don't know when to put state sign a gas, or liquid, or solid.

The only one I know is aqueous because it means a solution / dissolved in water.

Is there any trick to knowing state signs? I have CSSA trial on Friday and I'm stressing over this.
 

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But it's actually true though...

If you have common knowledge about substances just from learning in class and looking at the periodic table, figuring out what state sign needs to be included should be intuitive to you. However, if your background knowledge of chem is a bit rocky - which I have a feeling it is - then that might be a problem; because the skills based stuff in chem (balancing equations, mole calculations) can't really be crammed within 2 days, tbh. That is obviously excluding the content based nature of year 12 chem which can be crammed as it's majorly rote learning lol. So really, you can cram the environmental/society impact info, but not the conceptual aspects.

But I suggest in the meantime - just to practice questions in which you are required to draw a chemical equation.
A month ago i re-learnt year 11 modules so I did relearn stuff like calculations and I could always balance equations with algebra, but I have no idea about the state signs. I never did even last year.

like in this equation: HCl (g) + H2O (l) ---> H3O+ (aq) + Cl־ (aq)

Why is HCl a gas. Like WTF???
 

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Well, inherently at room temperature it's a colourless gas, but to explain this further with a comparison to another substance.

Suppose we have HF which is a liquid and HCL which is a gas. This is because HF has stronger intermolecular forces of attraction than HCl does. As such, since the molecules are more strongly attracted, they have to have a greater average kinetic energy in order for them to escape as a gas. This means the molecules will find it harder to move around because a solid has molecules closely knit together like close friends who can never break apart, a liquid has molecules which move more without much restraint and a gas has molecules which basically fly everywhere like their life depends on it (sorry for the bad analogy lol). Furthermore, HF has hydrogen bonding between the H on one molecule and the F on another molecule. Due to Cl's lower electronegativity and larger size, it cannot undergo hydrogen bonding, so the dipole interactions between the HCl molecules are not strong enough to keep that molecule as a liquid at room temperature, hence it is a gas.

Alright I get that, but then what about when we use aqueous HCl in the lab?
 

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Because hydrochloric acid is the mixture of HCl and H2O, so it is an aqueous solution - that's why that equation existed in the first place. Hydrochloric acid is the aqueous solution of hydrogen chloride gas (HCl). :haha:

That's all there is do it lol.

And last question, what happens when you react two amphiprotic substances together?
Like HCO3– + H2O --> ? + ?
Which acts as an acid and which acts as a base?
 

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but why not this???

HCO3- + H2O → H2CO3 + OH−
 

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What is the state sign of this equation: am i right?

C2H5OH (liquid?) ---> C2H4 (gas ?) + H2O (liquid)
 

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