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That is wrong. You can still get any job you want if you are prepared to work for it. It may just require an alternative pathway into that career instead of the normal hsc>>>uni>>>job path that I assume you are imagining.Heipmaster said:
watatank
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With that attitude it will.Heipmaster said:
While some ppl may disagree with this as it IS a little (hem) pessimistic, I think that sometimes there's nothing better than coming to terms with the realism of a situation.Heipmaster said:
Yes-you can transfer into courses-but most unis will determine whether or not you are eligible for this based on 50/50 UAI and course grades. Hence, trying to convince someone with a low UAI that they'll be able to study what they want at uni "if they just work hard" for 2 semesters is unprecedented and unrealistic. People who are this optimistic should become acquainted with the real world.
The HSC is "unfair" because.... of a lot of reasons. None of my teachers were HSC markers. You'd be an idiot to say that this wasn't a disadvantage. MY friend had to undergo a court case against her father for child abuse this year, which cut into a good proportion of her HSC study time. There was a lot of enotional trauma that she experienced because of the case. For her, the extra 4 points through EAS means absolutely nothing. What about those kids who go through hell during their HSC year (in terms of domestic abuse, family deaths or depression) who DON'T come forward for EAS ?
ON a different note, what about the people who don't put in the effort for a high UAI, yet pay their way into uni through full fee paying?
The system's riddled with errors-yet we're only just scratching the surface...
The thing is, like everything in life, HSC is unfair. I guess it depends on your personal experience this year in order to feel whether HSC is fair or not. I know I am one of those people "who DON'T come forward for EAS" and I know I wouldn't get any scholarships because of my conditions. Often, I feel the system is unfair when I see people I know pay their way in or are favoured or advantaged (eg. tuition, able to learn extra skills like art, music blah blah..)
But then again, those conditions are not my fault and as long as I did my best in my own way, I was sure I can get through this and I did.
But then again, those conditions are not my fault and as long as I did my best in my own way, I was sure I can get through this and I did.
lilkiwicutie89
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OH if only i knew about the EAS... didnt know ayes.........
OH if only i knew about the EAS... didnt know ayes.........
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Child abuse and domestic problems would be a massive blow to anyone and i agree with hannaxxx plus 4 eas points wouldn't be enough-as for the hsc being easy, different people face different situations and it would be unfair to say the hsc is easy for them
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The HSC is unfair because I'm not ready to make an entrie lifes decision on the subjects I choose. The HSC is unfair because your rankings marks etc., all create an image for your peers. THe HSC is unfair because young adults don't deserve pressure which could possibly tarnish their entire outlook.
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the level of fairness of the hsc does not depend entirely on attitudewatatank said:
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Agreed, but that's not the point I was making. I think that the HSC in the end is just a bridge, for many people the easiest path to success for them. But it's not the only one. To say the HSC is unfair because it determines your income for the next 30-40 years is unjustified. People who have the attitude that the HSC determines their career path for the next 30-40 years WILL let the HSC rule their lives and let it choose their career path for them and the level of income etc.f3nr15 said:
Those with the attitude that they can do better than what their UAI suggests they are capable of will find an alternative pathway to do what they want (or something better anyway) and won't let the UAI affect the outcome. I believe you haven't finished year 12 yet? IN time you will understand this too.
It's a means to an end.
Sprinkles~
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That reminds me of what so many people in my life are telling me right now, that it's no big deal I didn't get the marks I wanted because I can just start lower and transfer my way up. While that is mostly true if you put the time and effort in, you're right that it's just not as easy as people make it out to be. There is a huge difference between being optimistic and then just being totally unrealistic, and it is really frustrating when people begin to act like there isn't a reason to be disappointed when you don't acheive the marks you wanted.hannahxxx said:
I agree, I think that 4 little points just isn't enough in many cases. I had a friend who wanted to get into vet science at uni, but went through a really traumatic family experience during his HSC that affected his marks to a great extent. The few little UAI points weren't enough to get him into his course so he missed out, when he was someone who was capable of getting the marks and deserved to get in. My UAI was more than 30 points less than what I'd have been aiming for had I not being sick the past few years, so the 4 or 5 points consideration are meaningless because they're not going to help me get into uni. I guess those who don't apply for the EAS, like I almost didn't because I thought it was pointless etc, did have the opportunity but chose not to take it so they can't really complain in the end. Its just not fair on the ones who may not have been aware they could apply.hannahxxx said:
I guess it does seem really unfair, but then again what about the people who worked really hard, just missed out on the cut off for their course but then have the opportunity to get in under full fee paying? Sure its not fair on those who don't have the money to do so but there isn't anything in life that's entirely fair.hannahxxx said:
There really isn't a huge difference between the UAI's for commonwealth and DFEE places so it's not like you can just buy your way into a course [I wish you could though, I'd go out and win the lotto then bribe my way in
] and the universities probably do need the money to keep running.
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I'm not entirely sure about that! I mean, my dad finished his HSC in 1979 and got into uni but didn't go because he was an ethnic migrant and didn't know any better.Sprinkles~ said:
And the worst part is, back then it was free! Of course times have changed and there's more demand blahblah but I fail to see where paying $26 000 per year for some uni degrees comes into play in the duration of your studies. Kinda reminds me of private schools.
Sprinkles~
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Hahaha well yeah true, some (actually it's probably more like all ) university degress are just insanely expensive, I wonder where all the money goes. It should still be free, then anyone would be able to go no matter how much money they have... we should have been born earlier!
) university degress are just insanely expensive, I wonder where all the money goes. It should still be free, then anyone would be able to go no matter how much money they have... we should have been born earlier! 
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Watatank your advice is very sound and spot on. I hope all those who have just finished there HSC or will be in year 12 next year listen. It maybe hard for those who will begin their HSC next year to hear this because right now they have people left, right and center putting pressure on them and telling them the HSC is the be all or end all. In time all you 17 and 18 year olds will have a different perpective of the HSC and it will be nothing more to you than a bad dream. I hope you gain some comfort from what I am about to tell you though because I was once in your position and felt exactly the same way.watatank said:
I finished my HSC in 1999, did a bachelor's degree, worked in the corporate world (mainly in human resource management and recruitment) for a few years and now I have returned to study graduate law. Your real life begins after your HSC - you have your whole life ahead of you. Here is a summary of my advice and what happens in the real world:
- Your HSC is not your IQ - it is simply a rank to gain entrance into university and in no way does it predict your success at university. Most people who just scrape in there course will do better than those who achieved a high UAI. Uni requires different skills than the HSC and the marking system is much fairer (eg - there is no scaling of schools, the same lecturer marks your papers, everyone in the course learns/gets the same materials from the same lecturer)
- 20-30% of first year students will drop out of university because they have chosen the wrong course or do not enjoy their course (at the age of 18 you can't expect to know what you want to do with your life, its one of the toughest decisions anyone makes in their life)
- The majority of those who graduate from uni will not end up using their degree or will use it for a short time and will change into completely different careers because they don't like what they are doing.
- Once your in the system, it is not that hard to transfer from one degree to another, believe me, I know sooo many people who have done that (although some courses such as law maybe competitive)
- But here is the very interesting part: those who choose not to go to university, didn't get the marks or who end up dropping out after first year go on to do very well in life. I have worked in HR in a few large coporations and I would say 75% of people who are working in office jobs do not have a degree. They also have the advantage of gaining experience while others are still at uni and are debt free. From my personal experience, I have two friends who failed the HSC and both are on 70- 80K a year (largely because they started working immediately after year 12 and just worked their way up the company gaining experience).
- Others may go to TAFE and learn a trade like plumbing or hair dressing. They open their own businesses such as a hair salon, plumbing service, restaurant or a franchise.
- Others may find pleasure in travelling and working in different countries
- Others will find the love of their lives, get married, have children and choose to be a house wife/husband.
- For those who do graduate from university, academic success does not necessarily translate into career success
- For those who enter a field where you don't need a degree (unlike say law or medicine) experience is everything.
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