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The middle east times

Youssef M. Ibrahim

July 26, 2005

DUBAI -- The world of Islam is on fire. Indeed, the Muslim mind is on fire. Above all, the West is now ready to take both of them on.

The latest reliable report confirms that on average 33 Iraqis die every day, executed by Iraqis and foreign jihadis and suicide bombers, not by US or British soldiers. In fact, fewer than ever US or British soldiers are dying since the invasion more than two years ago. Instead, we now watch on television hundreds of innocent Iraqis lying without limbs, bleeding in the streets dead or wounded for life. If this is jihad someone got his religious education completely upside down.

Palestine is on fire, too, with Palestinian armed groups fighting one another - Hamas against Fatah and all against the Palestinian Authority. All have rendered Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas impotent and have diminished the world's respect and sympathy for Palestinian sufferings.

A couple of weeks ago London was on fire as Pakistani and other Muslims with British citizenship blew up tube stations in the name of Islam. Al Qaeda in Europe or one of its franchises proclaimed proudly the killing of 54 and wounding 700 innocent citizens was done to "avenge Islam" and Muslims.

Madrid was on fire, too, last year, when Muslim jihadis blew up train stations killing 160 people and wounding a few thousands.

The excuse in all the above cases was the war in Iraq, but let us not forget that in September 2001, long before Iraq, Osama Bin Laden proudly announced that he ordered the killing of some 3,000 in the United States, in the name of avenging Islam. Let us not forget that the killing began a long time before the invasion of Iraq.

Indeed, jihadis have been killing for a decade in the name of Islam. They killed innocent tourists and natives in Morocco and Egypt, in Africa, in Indonesia and in Yemen, all done in the name of Islam by Muslims who say that they are better than all other Muslims. They killed in India, in Thailand and are now talking of killing in Germany and Denmark and so on. There were attacks with bombs that killed scores inside Shia and Sunni mosques, inside churches and inside synagogues in Turkey and Tunisia, with Muslim preachers saying that it is okay to kill Jews and Christians - the so called infidels.

Above all, it is the Muslim mind that is on fire.

The Muslim fundamentalist who attacked the Dutch film director Theo Van Gogh in the Netherlands, stabbed him more than 23 times then cut his throat. He recently proudly proclaimed at his trial: "I did it because my religion - Islam - dictated it and I would do it again if were free." Which preacher told this guy this is Islam? That preacher should be in jail with him.

Do the cowardly jihadis who recruit suicide bombers really think that they will force the US Army and British troops out of Iraq by killing hundreds of innocent Iraqis? US troops now have bases and operate in Iraq but also from Kuwait, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Oman.

The only accomplishment of jihadis is that now they have aroused the great "Western Tiger". There was a time when the United States and Europe welcomed Arab and Muslim immigrants, visitors and students, with open arms. London even allowed all dissidents escaping their countries to preach against those countries under the guise of political refugees.

Well, that is all over now. Time has become for the big Western vengeance.

Visas for Arab and Muslim young men will be impossible to get for the United States and Western Europe. Those working there will be expelled if they are illegal, and harassed even if their papers are in order.

Airlines will have to right to refuse boarding to passengers if their names even resemble names on a prohibited list on all flights heading to Europe and the United States.

What is more important to remember is this: When the West did unite after World War II to beat communism, the long Cold War began without pity. They took no prisoners. They all stood together, from the United States to Norway, from Britain to Spain, from Belgium to Switzerland. And they did bring down the biggest empire. Communism collapsed.

I fear those naïve Muslims who think that they are beating the West have now achieved their worst crime of all. The West is now going to war against not only Muslims, but also, sadly, Islam as a religion.

In this new cold and hot war, car bombs and suicide bombers here and there will be no match for the arsenal that those Westerners are putting together - an arsenal of laws, intelligence pooling, surveillance by satellites, armies of special forces and indeed, allies inside the Arab world who are tired of having their lives disrupted by demented so-called jihadis or those bearded preachers who, under the guise of preaching, do little to teach and much to ignite the fire, those who know little about Islam and nothing about humanity.

Youssef M. Ibrahim, a former Middle East correspondent for The New York Times and energy editor of the Wall Street Journal, is managing director of the Dubai-based Strategic Energy Investment Group.

http://www.metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20050726-073844-6818r
 

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The middle east times

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What is more important to remember is this: When the West did unite after World War II to beat communism, the long Cold War began without pity. They took no prisoners. They all stood together, from the United States to Norway, from Britain to Spain, from Belgium to Switzerland. And they did bring down the biggest empire. Communism collapsed.
http://www.metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20050726-073844-6818r
this paragraph detracts from the whole argument

the west didn't defeat communism, economic circumstances in the ussr did. they don't even relate because the USSR was a state entity, rather than a noun like terrorism
 

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But nonetheless, the writer of that article makes some very valid points
 

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Riewe said:
But nonetheless, the writer of that article makes some very valid points
I agree. Some people just use islam as an excuse to carry on their plans. Their plans are far greater than killing christians and jews cause they're also killing their fellow muslims, which is pathetic.
 
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This article is just one conspiracy. DON'T YOU KNOW THE YANKS ARE MURDERING HUNDREDS OF CIVILIANS?
 

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I fear those naïve Muslims who think that they are beating the West have now achieved their worst crime of all. The West is now going to war against not only Muslims, but also, sadly, Islam as a religion.
i have always claimed that ppl missjudge religion and most prodominantly ISLAM.. some fanatic sector get an idea that killing ppl would quiten down the rest of the world and they (followers) go and do this idiots theology... it's really stupid to see pppl follow this especially when your and australian muslim and yopu know thte truth about your religion.. it also makes it harder for us here on BoS to put forth ideas about our religion when these ppl are around.. so when we seem agressive please have patience with us.. :)
 
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interesting reading.

anyone have figures of how many civilians died from mistakes from the troops?
 

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it's not only muslims, look around the whole world, troops yes have killled many, troops have been killed too, it's just all-over.
 

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This article is just one conspiracy. DON'T YOU KNOW THE YANKS ARE MURDERING HUNDREDS OF CIVILIANS?
Well they are. I don't know why you would be sarcastic about that when it is commonly known and acknowledge by the US government.
 

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although this is NEWS for us..( YES FINALLY SOME REAL NEWS ON THIS FORUM), it shouldn't be... we should know this. although it's very conspiracy-ish/ bullshit really when u compare THIS to the news we are fed on tv and articles in the newpaper, this really puts it in perspective.

the "news" we recieve is a placebo. do we care about car accidents or traffic jams, or new tech gadgets coming out (lol at xbox 360 featured on tv news...is that newsworthy?)...we want to know what's really happening, not disjointed bits of information. like "hey some bomber killed 30 troops in iraq"...

when u look at the perspective of the muslims u can see why they become extremists. all this stuff points to their armegeddon, they see that the world is drawing to an end, and according to scriptures they must fight the oppressors (eg. christians). when they see iraq being invaded...all these gay laws, they begin to hate the west for controlling their lives their economy etc. they won't easily give up.
 

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The more a faith is attacked, the more powerful the faithful become.
Before 9/11 muslims were a very silent group in Australia... now they're at the forefront of just about everything... and have become themselves much more radical in their beliefs.
 

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Comrade nathan said:
Well they are. I don't know why you would be sarcastic about that when it is commonly known and acknowledge by the US government.

Well she said murdering. Murder would usually require for them to be purposefully killing civilians, which (other than a few cases) hasn't really been happening.
 
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Not-That-Bright said:
The more a faith is attacked, the more powerful the faithful become.
Before 9/11 muslims were a very silent group in Australia... now they're at the forefront of just about everything... and have become themselves much more radical in their beliefs.
Before 9/11 they were poised over breed us peacefully. After 9/11, they are poised over breed us peacefully. Nothing has changed.
 

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TerrbleSpellor said:
Before 9/11 they were poised over breed us peacefully. After 9/11, they are poised over breed us peacefully. Nothing has changed.
what?

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He keeps saying that 9/11 has made muslims more proactive. I'm say that doesn't really matter because their objectives are the same now as they were before september 11.
 

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What are you talking about?

Pre-9/11

- Most muslims in australia are fairly apathetic to their religion, like most australian christians.
- Most muslims just want to live their normal lives..


Post-9/11

- Most muslims have been called to arms to defend their religion, and are now more focused on their faith than ever before.
- Most muslims feel that they are under attack, and that steps have to be done to defend their religion/people...
 

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yes, you have a point. i dare say that 9/11 helped muslims wake up to their religion, even though many still want to live like they always have, being able to walk in the street and not have to look around for fear that someone is going to spit at them and blame them for any terrorist activity that has occured since.
 
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