The Piracy "Problem" (2 Viewers)

[flashtrick]

I don't advocate piracy, but it's interesting to see who piracy affects.
Most artists don't make much money when you buy their CD's or MP3's off iTunes. A lot of it goes to the big labels. Ironically, many artists have said that piracy has helped promote their name and reach a wider audience. Artists make their money off live performances and tours, so if you really want to supports music bands, go to their tours or even donate to them.

Musicians struggle to make a break these days and the big corporate labels have control of the musical monopoly. Unfortunately, most artists have to sell their souls (and any profit they make) to such labels so that their songs can be heard by even a small crowd.

Just food for thought.

As for video game, movie and software piracy, well... that's a completely different argument and topic.

 

[brent012]

Re: The p00n thread

When used goods are being sold, there is still a transfer in ownership, and despite a cent not going to the copyright owner, there is still an appropriate level of goods in the market as opposed to piracy where there are many illegitimate being mass produced and distributed.

But as we've agreed on, counterfeiting and piracy have parallels but are an entirely different issue. If any "pirated" media is being produced or profited from it is more in the counterfeiting realm.

I don't understand your point about appropriate levels of goods. Anything that is sold which can be (digitally) pirated is merely a method of distribution for what is essentially "intellectual property". There is no difference between someone buying a movie, and lending it or selling it on to 5 friends and sending a digital copy of it to 5 friends. In either case there exists a single physical copy and 6 people who have had use of the media in question. I know that is not a perfect example as the 5 friends will have use of it whenever they want, but what happens if each of the friends who got the digital copy deleted his or her copy immediately? What about if each of the friends put the movie/album on their ipod while they legally owned the physical copy and left it on either accidentally or intentionally?

I'm definitely not advocating piracy, and my chosen career happens to be an industry hurt considerably by piracy. But it's not the music, tv or movie industry and is not given the attention that they are given. Like Abz said, the law and the market are slow to react to these kinds of changes - but i feel any changes in law should be progressive as is happening in parts of Europe.

There are also foolproof ways to hack any computer system, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and protect our systems against a cyber-attack.

One effective way of preventing systems against a cyber attack might be avoiding pushing piracy, which has become undeniably mainstream, into the underground where it will coexist with the online drug trade, cyberfraud, terrorism and illegal media.

 

[SylviaB]

Re: The p00n thread

Is there something wrong with banning stealing?

 

[Kiraken]

Re: The p00n thread

Yes I think copying and duplicating is inherently stealing, as Absolutezero said, it is 'intellectual theft', and that is just one example. Piracy highly elasticizes the market for media and therefore not only does piracy distort market forces but it creates an illegitimate supply



Counterfeiting is an entirely different issue, what I'm saying is that if the market price is that in China then that is fine, if there is any illegal activity involved such as False advertising or counterfeiting then that is something different, and is in fact comparable to piracy



When used goods are being sold, there is still a transfer in ownership, and despite a cent not going to the copyright owner, there is still an appropriate level of goods in the market as opposed to piracy where there are many illegitimate being mass produced and distributed.

There are also foolproof ways to hack any computer system, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and protect our systems against a cyber-attack.

Whilst this may be true and piracy may not be ethical, the point is that if stealing is defined as depriving an owner of what is tangibly theirs it's not exactly stealing per se

 

[funkshen]

You people are retarded. No one owns copyright except for the copyright holder. The copyright holder enjoys exclusive rights over that copyright. When you buy digital copies of music, you are exchanging money in return for rights to use that copyrighted material for prescribed purposes. It is impossible to steal an abstract concept such as the right to use copyrighted material. Discussion over.

 

[iBibah]

You people are retarded. No one owns copyright except for the copyright holder. The copyright holder enjoys exclusive rights over that copyright. When you buy digital copies of music, you are exchanging money in return for rights to use that copyrighted material for prescribed purposes. It is impossible to steal an abstract concept such as the right to use copyrighted material. Discussion over.

 

[Makematics]

Imo the people who actually get their work pirated are always so rich anyhow that i believe they shouldnt receive more money from people buying stuff of itunes or whatever. But of course Murdoch wants to make the rich richer.

 

[isildurrrr1]

Re: The p00n thread

Why is piracy different to stealing?
Calling it outdated doesn't prove anything

Because you're breaching intellectual property rights vs outright theft of a physical product. I find it funny that rappers go on about how gangster they are, how they steal shit without caring, yet they bitch and moan about music piracy. iconic. irony.

The digital distribution medium has completely destroyed the need of physical discs. You either find smarter ways to get consumers or you end up falling behind. Sony done fucked up with their DRM installing spyware rootkits on people's computers. Just look at programs like Steam, iTunes, Hulu and netflix. Sure people can torrent music, tv shows, games and movies but theres a lot of people using netflix/hulu and pay for their services. Same with steam and itunes, they make their product easier to use than the alternative of bit torrent.

It's debatable that piracy has a "huge impact" on sales when movies are still making billions in profits and music revenue is still pretty high.

Companies should be looking for solutions to their problems without always being hyper-reactive to it by using legal measures. funny how the RIAA and MPAA are suing the shit out of old ladies for downloading a few songs.

Good luck monitoring every single australian and pour police resources to make sure some kids aren't being naughty on the internats.

 

[SylviaB]

music revenue has been hurt primarily by the decline in album sales (which have been replaced by the sale of individual songs) rather than by piracy

 

[isildurrrr1]

Imo the people who actually get their work pirated are always so rich anyhow that i believe they shouldnt receive more money from people buying stuff of itunes or whatever. But of course Murdoch wants to make the rich richer.

Naw murdoch doesn't care about rich people, he just cares about how big his bank account is. Same shit with the UK porn filter talking about "protecting kids" when the page 3 of the sun newspaper has tits hanging out everyday. Yeah he's a paragon of moral virtue alright. Internet piracy damages foxtel/20th century fox profits, simple as that. People aren't subscribing to his network because they can get the shit for free online. Oh GL suing someone for downloading a TV show, have fun with busting up people with DVRs.

 

[isildurrrr1]

Re: The p00n thread

oh and pirated movies don't have shitty trailers in the beginning and retarded fbi warnings that i can't skip. shits fucking annoying.

 

[Sy123]

Thank you for the legal mumbo jumbo guys I realise that copying is not theft
Its an overtly glorified form of theft

 

[isildurrrr1]

except you don't get hit with a million dollar lawsuit when you steal a cd from a music shop.

 

[funkshen]

Except you can't just make up your own definition of the word 'theft' or 'steal'.

 

[SylviaB]

Its an overtly glorified form of theft

no its not in any way whatsoever

reducing "potential profit" is not theft, not just legally but from a logical perspective too. Stealing something means they are worse off as a result

if I download a song the copyright-holder is no worse off than before I downloaded it/if I hadn't downloaded it at all

you can say "oh but you're depriving him of money by downloading it instead of buying it"

But it would be no different if I simply decided not to buy it at all. Is deciding not to buy anything theft? The end result is exactly the same as if I were to have downloaded the song

 

[Synyster]

Stealing is like cut and paste, piracy is like copy and paste.

I'm not stealing unless I'm taking it from their possession or making money out of it. It's like the difference between taking an artwork from an art gallery and taking a picture of it.

Most people who work in that art field do it mainly for their talents and passion anyway, e.g. lots of musicians are cool with fans downloading their music for free. There's always pros and cons in any job and artists know that piracy is one of them. It creates a challenge for the artist, to get someone to actually buy their work is an achievement knowing there's the option to download it for free. In the end, the one's with the better/more popular work get more money hence the reason why there's rich artists of all sorts.

You don't see rich artists complaining about making less money from piracy, well the ones that do need to get some humility and stop being greedy money whores.

 

[isildurrrr1]

it's funny because of piracy shows like game of thrones and breaking bad got a lot of social media attention, which in turn got them lots of $$$$ when people ended up subscribing to HBO or networks paying top dollar to rebroadcast it.

 

[nerdasdasd]

I actually did a report on this for uni >> http://www.scribd.com/doc/179563933/report-docx

There isn't a simple yes or no answer to this problem.....

A major reason is that a lot of people think "pirating" isn't bad because it is commonly done within society. It is kind of like, "I see all my friends doing it, so that means there's nothing wrong with doing it, HENCE I can/should do it".

 

[nerdasdasd]

But from an IT uni student perspective.... if I say made a really a good game, I wouldn't want people downloading it for free when I spent hours and hours (and many resources) developing this.... THIS also applies to movies, books, music, software etc...

 

[isildurrrr1]

But from an IT uni student perspective.... if I say made a really a good game, I wouldn't want people downloading it for free when I spent hours and hours (and many resources) developing this.... THIS also applies to movies, books, music, software etc...

or make a game that is unbeatable if you pirated it to frustrate all the pirates out there

http://www.cracked.com/article_20482_5-hilarious-ways-game-designers-are-messing-with-pirates.html