The world is coming to an end (3 Viewers)

[bigboyjames]

^dude, i never said we wont hit peak oil. im saying that we HAVNT hit peak oil yet. peak oil is still 10 years away.

 

[ubernuton]

^dude, i never said we wont hit peak oil. im saying that we HAVNT hit peak oil yet. peak oil is still 10 years away.

in 10 years time will we be ready? will we have functional alternatives

 

[Captain Gh3y]

^dude, i never said we wont hit peak oil. im saying that we HAVNT hit peak oil yet. peak oil is still 10 years away.

with my new SUV i'm hoping to bring that down to 9.5 years away

 

[inasero]

and wrong - many, many, many, many times...

Examples please.

They failed because the price of oil dropped, it is only economical to use oil shale when there is a high price for oil - like when we start to approach peak oil.

That's like saying buying a Porsche became economical since all other car companies shut up shop.

his simply isn't true... Look up the methods they use, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale_extraction

Then why aren't we doing something about the supply side? I don't think the demand side is going to go down...with the Earth's population ever increasing and China and India becoming global players.

edit: there are also a whole heaps of longer-term solutions, it's not dooms day... though it may hit us with some turbulent years.

The day we find a sustainable alternative source of energy, I'll buy everyone two packs of ice-cream- it's just not going to happen. All other forms of energy either:
a) Ironically rely on oil (e.g. imagine the energy expenditure in getting one nuclear power plant up and running), or;
b) Are woefully inadequate to supply the energy needs of the whole world, let alone basic energy to survive on a day to day basis

"Won't high oil prices motivate us to look for alternatives?"

To a certain degree, yes. Unfortunately, the situation is far too complex to be solved via alternative energy "plug-and-play" as is commonly believed. First, as explained in great depth later on this page, we really don't have any ready-to-scale alternatives that share oil's energy density, energy portability and high energy return on energy invested (EROEI).

Second, and perhaps more importantly, even if we did have alternatives that shared the characteristics of oil, we won't be motivated to invest in them on the massive scale necessary until it's too late. To illustrate this point: as of October 2007 a barrel of oil costs about $75. The amount of energy contained in that barrel of oil would cost between $100-$250* dollars to derive from alternative sources of energy. Thus, the market won't signal energy companies to begin aggressively pursuing alternative sources of energy until oil reaches the $100-$250 range and stays there for several years.

*This does not even account for the amount of money it would take to locate and refine the raw materials necessary for a large scale conversion or the retrofitting of the world's $50 trillion plus economy to run on these alternatives.

www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net

 

[SiN3m]

Honestly, the problems are just gonna escalate coz not enough ppl care. We're gonna all have to wear masks just to breath like they have in Beijing I beleive...I could be mistaken but they do require them somewhere...


Too many ppl liveon the motto 'live for today only' and forget about the future and intergenerational equity...

 

[Kwayera]

It's not a conspiracy theory- it's Biblical prophecy and the Bible has been proven to be correct time and time again.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? ARE YOU SERIOUS?

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS.


And yes, I am yelling at you.

 

[ubernuton]

Are you fucking SERIOUS? Biblical fucking PROPHECY?

Revoke this idiot's moderator license now.

Fucking fundies holding the power to ban people, that's just what we need.

ok all realigon is just a bunch of gaint conspiriy thories. he free to have his opionion as long as it doesn't infulence his decisions

 

[Kwayera]

ok all realigon is just a bunch of gaint conspiriy thories. he free to have his opionion as long as it doesn't infulence his decisions

Not when they incorrectly say that Biblical prophecies have been proven ('many many .. many times') when that is just.. wow.



Jesus Christ on a cracker.

 

[inasero]

Prophets in the Bible correctly prophesied the exile of the Jews into Babylon, destruction of the temple of Solomon, fall of the Babylonians to the Medo-Persian empire, the arrival of Jesus Christ on Earth...and that's just getting started. So as far as I'm concerned the Bible has a pretty good track record and it has proven its reliability time and time again.

 

[boris]

I don't know how you guys only just picked up on his Biblical rants... They've been pretty much consistent for 7 pages now.

Consistently shit.

 

[boris]

Also, I don't believe it's the end of the world. The Bible also says a lot of stuff about Jesus's return as unexpected and that it will take people by suprise.

How many Jesus freaks would be suprised if Jesus turned up right about now?

Not many.

 

[boris]

Oi, you know who else prophesied shit?

Nostradamus

 

[boris]

lol
In Genesis 6, God is quoted as saying "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."[4] The oldest recognized people to have lived are a 122 year old female and a 119 year old male.[5]

Oh okay, I guess the Bible is pretty accurate man.

Uh oh, wait!

* God promises that he will drive out the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites,[8] not because of Israel's righteousness but because of the wickedness of the mentioned nations,[9] but the Israelites fail to do so.[10]
* Joshua tells Manasseh that he will be able to drive out the Canaanites,[11] but Manasseh did not. [12]

 

[Zrap]

One way Jesus, you're the only one that i could live for!

 

[inasero]

Hahaha. Let's make vague preditions and watch them come true.

Make up a lie about some cunt being the son of god. Then some cunt says he is the son of god. Wow. I wasn't expecting that to happen.

Your argument would be waterproof if not for the fact that biblical prophecy is very specific. Consider prophecies about Jesus:

SUBJECT OT Prophecy NT Fulfillment
As the Son of God Ps 2:7 Lu 1:32,35
As the seed of the woman Ge 3:15 Ga 4:4
As the seed of Abraham Ge 17:7 22:18 Ga 3:16
As the seed of Isaac Ge 21:12 Heb 11:17-19
As the seed of David Ps 132:11 Jer 23:5 Ac 13:23 Ro 1:3
His coming at a set time Ge 49:10 Da 9:24,25 Lu 2:1
His being born of a virgin Isa 7:14 Mt 1:22,23 Lu 2:7
His being called Immanuel Isa 7:14 Mt 1:22,23
His being born in Bethlehem of Judea Mic 5:2 Mt 2:1 Lu 2:4-6
Great persons coming to adore him Ps 72:10 Mt 2:1-11
The slaying of the children of Bethlehem Jer 31:15 Mt 2:16-18
His being called out of Egypt Ho 11:1 Mt 2:15
His being preceded by John the Baptist Isa 40:3 Mal 3:1 Mt 3:1,3 Lu 1:17
His being anointed with the Spirit Ps 45:7 Isa 11:2 61:1 Mt 3:16 Joh 3:34 Ac 10:38
His being a Prophet like to Moses De 18:15-18 Ac 3:20-22
His being a Priest after the order of Melchizedek Ps 110:4 Heb 5:5,6
His entering on his public ministry Isa 61:1,2 Lu 4:16-21,43
His ministry commencing in Galilee Isa 9:1,2 Mt 4:12-16,23
His entering publicly into Jerusalem Zec 9:9 Mt 21:1-5
His coming into the temple Hag 2:7,9 Mal 3:1 Mt 21:12 Lu 2:27-32 Joh 2:13-16
His poverty Isa 53:2 Mr 6:3 Lu 9:58
His meekness and want of ostentatious Isa 42:2 Mt 12:15,16,19
His tenderness and compassion Isa 40:11 42:3 Mt 12:15,20 Heb 4:15
His being without guile Isa 53:9 1Pe 2:22
His zeal Ps 69:9 Joh 2:17
His preaching by parables Ps 78:2 Mt 13:34,35
His working miracles Isa 35:5,6 Mt 11:4-6 Joh 11:47
His bearing reproach Ps 22:6 69:7,9,20 Ro 15:3
His being rejected by his brethren Ps 69:8 Isa 63:3 Joh 1:11 7:3
His being a stone of stumbling to the Jews Isa 8:14 Ro 9:32 1Pe 2:8
His being hated by the Jews Ps 69:4 Isa 49:7 Joh 15:24,25
His being rejected by the Jewish rulers Ps 118:22 Mt 21:42 Joh 7:48
That the Jews and Gentiles should combine against Him Ps 2:1,2 Lu 23:12 Ac 4:27
His being betrayed by a friend Ps 41:9 55:12-14 Joh 13:18,21
His disciples forsaking him Zec 13:7 Mt 26:31,56
His being sold for thirty pieces silver Zec 11:12 Mt 26:15
His price being given for the potter's field Zec 11:13 Mt 27:7
The intensity of his sufferings Ps 22:14,15 Lu 22:42,44
His sufferings being for others Isa 53:4-6,12 Da 9:26 Mt 20:28
His patience and silence under suffering Isa 53:7 Mt 26:63 27:12-14
His being smitten on the cheek Mic 5:1 Mt 27:30
His visage being marred Isa 52:14 53:3 Joh 19:5
His being spit on and scourged Isa 50:6 Mr 14:65 Joh 19:1
His hands and feet being nailed to the cross Ps 22:16 Joh 19:18 20:25
His being forsaken by God Ps 22:1 Mt 27:46
His being mocked Ps 22:7,8 Mt 27:39-44
Gall and vinegar being given him to drink Ps 69:21 Mt 27:34
His garments being parted, and lots cast for his vesture Ps 22:18 Mt 27:35
His being numbered with the transgressors Isa 53:12 Mr 15:28
His intercession for His murderers Isa 53:12 Lu 23:34
His Death Isa 53:12 Mt 27:50
That a bone of him should not be broken Ex 12:46 Ps 34:20 Joh 19:33,36
His being pierced Zec 12:10 Joh 19:34,37
His being buried with the rich Isa 53:9 Mt 27:57-60
His flesh not seeing corruption Ps 16:10 Ac 2:31
His resurrection Ps 16:10 Isa 26:19 Lu 24:6,31,34
His ascension Ps 68:18 Lu 24:51 Ac 1:9
His sitting on the right hand of God Ps 110:1 Heb 1:3
His exercising the priestly office in heaven Zec 6:13 Ro 8:34
His being the chief corner-stone of the Church Isa 28:16 1Pe 2:6,7
His being King in Zion Ps 2:6 Lu 1:32 Joh 18:33-37
The conversion of the Gentiles to him Isa 11:10 42:1 Mt 1:17,21 Joh 10:16 Ac 10:45,47
His righteous government Ps 45:6,7 Joh 5:30 Re 19:11
His universal dominion Ps 72:8 Da 7:14 Php 2:9,11
The perpetuity of his kingdom Isa 9:7 Da 7:14 Lu 1:32,33

What's the probability of all of these prophecies being fulfilled in the person of Jesus by pure chance or malevolent intent alone?

 

[inasero]

Oi, you know who else prophesied shit?

Nostradamus

Alot of his prophecies were inaccurate, vague or outright wrong.

 

[boris]

Alot of his prophecies were inaccurate, vague or outright wrong.

Oh, so not dissimilar to the Bible.

Glad we cleared that up.

 

[Kwayera]

What's the probability of all of these prophecies being fulfilled in the person of Jesus by pure chance or malevolent intent alone?

Oh dude you just committed that most heinous offence of using the Bible as your proof.

You cannot use the Bible as proof in any way, shape or form because it is unsubstantiated, unproven, and the very text that MADE those "predictions"!

That hold just as much weight as "oh I read this book called Harry Potter and it said that "And either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives" and then IT ACTUALLY CAME TRUE SORTA IN THE BOOK which means it is true! Witches and wizards and magic exists! SO THERE."

Also, Jesus was NOT BORN OF A VIRGIN. That is an accepted MISTRANSLATION from the original Hebrew word 'alma' which means YOUNG WOMAN.

 

[Enteebee]

Your argument would be waterproof if not for the fact that biblical prophecy is very specific. Consider prophecies about Jesus:



What's the probability of all of these prophecies being fulfilled in the person of Jesus by pure chance or malevolent intent alone?

Well... I don't believe he was the son of god/had a virgin birth/etc etc etc... So I guess the prophecies were wrong?

 

[Enteebee]

Examples please.

Of where the bible got it wrong? Jeez you're one of them aren't you? I'll play, what about Noah's ark?

That's like saying buying a Porsche became economical since all other car companies shut up shop.

lol I think you're using the term 'economical' in a different way, something is economically viable if it can be sold at a profit. The only reason why oil shale isn't profitable yet is that due to the expensive nature of the extraction techniques at the moment crude oil is still cheaper, though I do believe we've now reached a point in the price of oil whereby oil shale could be profitable.

The thing is though that the market is fairly cautious... many companies invested in oil shale back in the 1970's when the price of oil was (adjusting for inflation) somewhat like how it is now, however then the price dropped thus meaning that they lost a shitload of money in startup costs etc.

Essentially though what I'm saying is that once the decision is made to start utilising oil shale (this will also require allowances by the government as I believe in some countries it's still heavily regulated) and production facilities are up and running we could have a cap on the price of oil (if the price is solely driven by supply, which currently I don't think it is... though it may help with speculators too) essentially freezing the price somewhere around where it is now. It's not all that nice and we may have a bit of turbulence as we get on board with this, but it basically means that doomsday scenarios are a little far-fetched.

Then why aren't we doing something about the supply side? I don't think the demand side is going to go down...with the Earth's population ever increasing and China and India becoming global players.

It isn't necessarily supply that's fueling the current price rises, though it may be a decent factor there are other things such as refinery capacity and speculators. Also what I've already said...

The day we find a sustainable alternative source of energy, I'll buy everyone two packs of ice-cream- it's just not going to happen. All other forms of energy either:
a) Ironically rely on oil (e.g. imagine the energy expenditure in getting one nuclear power plant up and running), or;
b) Are woefully inadequate to supply the energy needs of the whole world, let alone basic energy to survive on a day to day basis

There is great energy expenditure in getting a powerplant up and running... but I don't see how this is much of a problem? I mean, there is still a HUGE net gain in energy over the lifetime of the powerplant...