Umat Results! (2 Viewers)

[JB27990]

Got an email from UWS.
Rejected.
My UMAT was 168 and predicted UAI 99 if that helps anyone with anything.

I can't remember, but if UWS offered a rural entrance, I would have been attempting entrance that way. Can't remember if they offer it, but if they do, I was in it....and rejected from it lol.

Can people post as soon as they hear from Newcastle please. I'm getting a bit worried.

 

[Preity]

Hi,

can someone please explain the difference between bonded and unbonded? Thank you

 

[partelephant]

I'm certain there's other threads addressing this question somewhere on this site but I can't be bothered to search for them so I'll just give you bonded medical places in a nutshell.

Essentially with a bonded medical place (BMP) you are required to sign a contract which states that you agree to work in an "Area of Workforce Shortage" as determined by the government at the time of your qualification or graduation. The period of time you are required to work there is equivalent to the length of your degree e.g. if it was at UNSW then it would be 6 years or if it was at Monash or UWS, etc then it would be 5 years. As it currently stands, you can 'serve' half of this time during your pre-vocational (intern or registrar) or vocational (specialist) training - but the remainder must be served when you are a member of a college of specialty e.g. RACGP, RACS, RACP, etc.

If you break the bond there are consequences e.g. lose your medicare, have to pay back the full cost of your degree, etc. There is conjecture circulating regarding the ability to pay one's way out of this bond (for less than the full price of your degree) - but these, thus far, remain unconfirmed considering the first cohort with the BMP as an option has yet to graduate (from memory). So I wouldn't bank on any of that being true.

Unbonded = no commitment/obligation to anyone.

 

[bradpitt]

I'm certain there's other threads addressing this question somewhere on this site but I can't be bothered to search for them so I'll just give you bonded medical places in a nutshell.

Essentially with a bonded medical place (BMP) you are required to sign a contract which states that you agree to work in an "Area of Workforce Shortage" as determined by the government at the time of your qualification or graduation. The period of time you are required to work there is equivalent to the length of your degree e.g. if it was at UNSW then it would be 6 years or if it was at Monash or UWS, etc then it would be 5 years. As it currently stands, you can 'serve' half of this time during your pre-vocational (intern or registrar) or vocational (specialist) training - but the remainder must be served when you are a member of a college of specialty e.g. RACGP, RACS, RACP, etc.

If you break the bond there are consequences e.g. lose your medicare, have to pay back the full cost of your degree, etc. There is conjecture circulating regarding the ability to pay one's way out of this bond (for less than the full price of your degree) - but these, thus far, remain unconfirmed considering the first cohort with the BMP as an option has yet to graduate (from memory). So I wouldn't bank on any of that being true.

Unbonded = no commitment/obligation to anyone.

There are. She just needs to look

 

[Preity]

There are. She just needs to look

no need to look now, is there?

 

[Wooz]

wow. it was 178 this year to get an interview. is the 187 is the cutoff for interview or to get offer into the course? because if it is to get into the course then i dont see much point in them offering interviews to ppl who got lower UMAT scores.

UWS used a 1/3 weighting for section 3, so I don't think anyone really has a clear indication of the weighted cut-off yet. The cut-off is for the interview, the umat score and interview marks are weighted 1/3 and 2/3 correspondingly. Those ranked highest get offers and they simply go down the list, if they offers are not accepted, deffered, etc.

 

[Bish001]

well done

 

[hannaz]

Hey guys those are pretty good umat scores. Im looking for anyone who got over 200 to help me out (tutoring), as that is what i'm aiming for; im willing to pay. I have sat it three times and got around 140 each time, i have also done courses. Im in Sydney.

Please let me no.
Thanks Hanna

 

[BigDk]

Hey guys those are pretty good umat scores. Im looking for anyone who got over 200 to help me out (tutoring), as that is what i'm aiming for; im willing to pay. I have sat it three times and got around 140 each time, i have also done courses. Im in Sydney.

Please let me no.
Thanks Hanna

u want some free advice Hanna, give up. no i am not being facetious.

yes u hear stories about people saying "i went from 130 to 190 blah blah, so it is possible"

yeah sure anything is possible, but is it realistic. more often then not people who got poor marks the first time around do not improve much the second or the 3rd time..

but hey u never hear about those stories on BOS, coz who wants to boast about failures.

put it this way what if you have a friend who you know is dumb, not mentally retarded, but academically is very slow. and say he or she got a uai of only 50 after 3 tries, but their goal is to really get into medicine, what would u say to her?

u have to realise not everyone is capable of getting 180+, in fact not many are able to acheive that no matter what u do, otherwise we wouldnt have anyone collecting thev garbage.

my goal is to actually play EPL football. but shit i know i can't run as fast, dribble as good and shoot as good as those players. my genes suck and i havent had the proper training when i was a kid.

 

[hannaz]

Hi thanks for the advice, but im goin to keep trying!!

 

[Wooz]

Hi thanks for the advice, but im goin to keep trying!!

I presume you are already at uni, I suggest you consider undertaking the GAMSAT this year or next year in addition to increase your chances, and to possibly gain entry to many other graduate med uni's.

Some people just can't improve, have you considered doing a prep course, have you done one in the past?

 

[Lukybear]

I presume you are already at uni, I suggest you consider undertaking the GAMSAT this year or next year in addition to increase your chances, and to possibly gain entry to many other graduate med uni's.

Some people just can't improve, have you considered doing a prep course, have you done one in the past?

Listen to Wooz, his advices are great.

 

[luxslash89]

u want some free advice Hanna, give up. no i am not being facetious.

yes u hear stories about people saying "i went from 130 to 190 blah blah, so it is possible"

yeah sure anything is possible, but is it realistic. more often then not people who got poor marks the first time around do not improve much the second or the 3rd time..

Hmm... I'll havta disagree on that one big fella.
If you are dedicated to doing it well, and take prep courses, I believe you can improve, unlike genes....
I think the most important thing about UMAT is you have to get used to the MENTALITY of it. Meaning getting the hang of THINKING HOW THEY
(UMAT ppl) WANT YOU TO THINK (Applies to sect 1 & 2) by practicing papers and stuff, and getting a good tutor to guide you.
And most everyone seem to improve well with sect 3 with more practice.
If you do that, I believe most ppl hava good chance of doing well...

 

[hannaz]

I agree, I no plenty of ppl who have improved.

Yes, Wooz you are right I am currently doing Bachelor of Medical Science, but really do not want to sit the GAMSAT, I have many friends who have advised me its alot harder than the UMAT. So rlly would just like help with the UMAT!!

 

[Wooz]

Edit: Hmm, I think you should get in touch with amygdalaa usyd Med Sci third year on www.medstudentsonline.com.au/forums she improved her umat score from the 150-160's to the 270's raw.

She spent a year doing solid wide reading, IQ/Mensa booklets, reading the newspapers, making questions up, etc.

I know GAMSAT is very hard, but your doing a B Med Sci degree at Usyd, which covered all that was needed for GAMSAT Science in first year. You should honestly have a shot at GAMSAT/UMAT, after doing some essay practice and revision, etc it's not too late. Also at least you know what to study for GAMSAT, especially if you are a Med Sci Student.

You should also speak to Westerna a Usyd Med I student who did Med Sci at Usyd and sat GAMSAT last year.

Good luck.

I presume you are already at uni, I suggest you consider undertaking the GAMSAT this year or next year in addition to increase your chances, and to possibly gain entry to many other graduate med uni's.

Some people just can't improve, have you considered doing a prep course, have you done one in the past?

I should have said have you ever done any umat prep, mensa booklets/IQ puzzles for section 3 study, etc? They may be of great help especially if you struggle at sec 3.

Alot of people do improve after their first attempt, but then again umat is a test based on your emotional intelligence/quotient, so for some people it will be a huge struggle to improve.

Please consider sitting GAMSAT and see www.pagingdr.proboards61.com
Paging Dr - UMAT or GAMSAT? There are many people who could never get through umat and went on to do GAMSAT to get into med. Please see the thread linked above.

 

[BigDk]

Hmm... I'll havta disagree on that one big fella.
If you are dedicated to doing it well, and take prep courses, I believe you can improve, unlike genes....
I think the most important thing about UMAT is you have to get used to the MENTALITY of it. Meaning getting the hang of THINKING HOW THEY
(UMAT ppl) WANT YOU TO THINK (Applies to sect 1 & 2) by practicing papers and stuff, and getting a good tutor to guide you.
And most everyone seem to improve well with sect 3 with more practice.
If you do that, I believe most ppl hava good chance of doing well...

well if you practice anything for long enough right coaching and deidcation, you will definitly improve. the question is will u ever improve enough to make 175.

remember 175 is minimum, if she got an average uai aswell this person may infact need 190+

if you are already at the limits of your mental capability then you will probably only make marginal improvements and even then resitting the exam over and over again wont gaurantee your marks will always go up

 

[hannaz]

Yeh my only problem is Section 3, Im fine with 1 and 2. My strength is English, I did 4 unit at School and Im reading 24/7 so my only problem with UMAT is Section 3.

 

[Wooz]

Yeh my only problem is Section 3, Im fine with 1 and 2. My strength is English, I did 4 unit at School and Im reading 24/7 so my only problem with UMAT is Section 3.

Consider doing a preparation course as many are excellent for section 3 as most provide almost unlimited puzzle banks for section 3 style questions.

Also hit the bookshops, inparticular Dymocks on George St, in the Dymocks building, go to the below ground section and look the for puzzle section, you will find many adult Mensa books, IQ questions, brain benders, etc things like that. You can actually learn many techniques from those books and practice should make perfect for many of the questions seen in sec 3.

 

[PrettyVacant]

Section 3 can be improved most rapidly as it is easy to familiarise yourself with the types of questions you are asked (eg, pick the middle, odd one out, number patterns, next in sequence)and learn to quickly identify patterns that exist within each question type.

 

[hannaz]

thanks, ill keep practicing!!!!