what determines a discursive? (2 Viewers)

[Junaid Shaa]

Does dialogue between characters debating a stimulus point count as a discursive text?

 

[Solarised]

Does dialogue between characters debating a stimulus point count as a discursive text?

No a disursive is meant to be first/third person, not two characters debating, although if you have gone critically with the two people debating and its set in a non-fiction context sure, but if you have just shaped your narrative to the stimulus then I reckon you would not meet the criteria for a band 3 mark let alone higher than that

 

[Junaid Shaa]

No a disursive is meant to be first/third person, not two characters debating, although if you have gone critically with the two people debating and its set in a non-fiction context sure, but if you have just shaped your narrative to the stimulus then I reckon you would not meet the criteria for a band 3 mark let alone higher than that

So if a creative was hypothetically written for this year's Mod C question for Advanced, what do you think students can get? I tried writing a hybrid but I'm not sure if the markers will realise that.

 

[Solarised]

So if a creative was hypothetically written for this year's Mod C question for Advanced, what do you think students can get? I tried writing a hybrid but I'm not sure if the markers will realise that.

Being realistic if it lacks distinct discursive elements its proly around 7-10 probably more on the lower end

 

[Junaid Shaa]

Being realistic if it lacks distinct discursive elements its proly around 7-10 probably more on the lower end

Thanks for replying. Also, how did you find the Modern History exam?

 

[finwand]

a disursive is meant to be first/third person, not two characters debating

Respectfully, I disagree. A discursive by NESA's definition is " [a text] whose primary focus is to explore an idea or variety of topics. These texts involve the discussion of an idea(s) or opinion(s) without the direct intention of persuading the reader, listener or viewer to adopt any single point of view. Discursive texts can be humorous or serious in tone and can have a formal or informal register. These texts include texts such as feature articles, creative nonfiction, blogs, personal essays, documentaries and speeches. "

It does not have to be linear, critical or set. By my english teacher's words, an excelling discursive will have different voices throughout (didactic, storytelling etc) but could honestly be an imaginative. I wrote a very imaginative-ly leaning piece to the extent where it could be taken as a first person imaginative. As long as you adhered to the stimulus, don't worry! I also had dialogue in mine

 

[aqwerty13402]

My 20/20 discursive that I went in with, didn't have dialogue but it defintely felt imaginative (i.e. there were elements of plot running throughout). So while I wouldn't typically consider dialogue discursive, I wouldnt stress if there was dialogue, just hopefully the tone matched discursive vibes

 

[Junaid Shaa]

Respectfully, I disagree. A discursive by NESA's definition is " [a text] whose primary focus is to explore an idea or variety of topics. These texts involve the discussion of an idea(s) or opinion(s) without the direct intention of persuading the reader, listener or viewer to adopt any single point of view. Discursive texts can be humorous or serious in tone and can have a formal or informal register. These texts include texts such as feature articles, creative nonfiction, blogs, personal essays, documentaries and speeches. "

It does not have to be linear, critical or set. By my english teacher's words, an excelling discursive will have different voices throughout (didactic, storytelling etc) but could honestly be an imaginative. I wrote a very imaginative-ly leaning piece to the extent where it could be taken as a first person imaginative. As long as you adhered to the stimulus, don't worry! I also had dialogue in mine

Wow this post made my day Seeing that you wrote your discursive with a similar format to mine, would you mind sharing how you interpreted the stimulus? I find it interesting how other students adapt their texts to the main point.

 

[Solarised]

Respectfully, I disagree. A discursive by NESA's definition is " [a text] whose primary focus is to explore an idea or variety of topics. These texts involve the discussion of an idea(s) or opinion(s) without the direct intention of persuading the reader, listener or viewer to adopt any single point of view. Discursive texts can be humorous or serious in tone and can have a formal or informal register. These texts include texts such as feature articles, creative nonfiction, blogs, personal essays, documentaries and speeches. "

It does not have to be linear, critical or set. By my english teacher's words, an excelling discursive will have different voices throughout (didactic, storytelling etc) but could honestly be an imaginative. I wrote a very imaginative-ly leaning piece to the extent where it could be taken as a first person imaginative. As long as you adhered to the stimulus, don't worry! I also had dialogue in mine

I was going off my teachers description of a discursive, which is exactly what I stated before, perhaps other schools don't teach this way so I guess this way could be acceptable too.

 

[Solarised]

Thanks for replying. Also, how did you find the Modern History exam?

Modern was mad easy ngl mainfesting raw 86-90

 

[Solarised]

Oh yeah also a discursive has to follow logical progression which most narratives do not, which is why it is not advised to write in a format that can be seen as narrative, as per my hsc marker teacher's advice

 

[Junaid Shaa]

Modern was mad easy ngl mainfesting raw 86-90

Ye I found it the same, really happy with all the sections tbh - especially with Power & Authority and Russia.

 

[Solarised]

Ye I found it the same, really happy with all the sections tbh - especially with Power & Authority and Russia.

How did you write your discursive like tell me the story idea and how you did it

 

[mishtidoi101]

I was going off my teachers description of a discursive, which is exactly what I stated before, perhaps other schools don't teach this way so I guess this way could be acceptable too.

my school didnt even do that all they said was a discursive a piece where yall just yap a lot abt the topic and have 2 or multiple perspectives lmao (plus i had to do a discursive for adv hsc (

 

[askit]

Discursives should discuss a topic, but given the large amount of students who underprepared for a variety of reasons ie. not taught properly/unaware etc. I'm sure the marking guidelines will account for the discrepancies.

 

[mishtidoi101]

Discursives should discuss a topic, but given the large amount of students who underprepared for a variety of reasons ie. not taught properly/unaware etc. I'm sure the marking guidelines will account for the discrepancies.

i hope they do that, or else im srsly fucked up for eng

 

[askit]

i hope they do that, or else im srsly fucked up for eng

I'm sure they will, discursives in itself can be very vague so as long as you touch on a topic relating to the stimulus, and discuss it through a variety of perspectives even imaginatively I think it will be rewarded.

 

[Solarised]

Discursives should discuss a topic, but given the large amount of students who underprepared for a variety of reasons ie. not taught properly/unaware etc. I'm sure the marking guidelines will account for the discrepancies.

They can't account for discrepancies if someone just puts their narrative in or has a weak discursive. Also, where is the info that a large number of students were unprepared? The majority of top-ranked schools and even decent ones all account for discursive being in the exam. It's a pivotal part of the syllabus, and they cannot account for it if you did not know how to write one properly.

 

[ManifestationIsKey]

Discursives should discuss a topic, but given the large amount of students who underprepared for a variety of reasons ie. not taught properly/unaware etc. I'm sure the marking guidelines will account for the discrepancies.

Technically students shouldn't have been really unprepared since the option of discursive is given almost each year except when it was a forced imaginative in 2020 i think. So many people did assume they could force a discursive and its a part of the syllabus so it should have been taught.

 

[mishtidoi101]

Technically students shouldn't have been really unprepared since the option of discursive is given almost each year except when it was a forced imaginative in 2020 i think. So many people did assume they could force a discursive and its a part of the syllabus so it should have been taught.

i see, then ig my school js srsly disadvanced my cohort cuz i dont think they even taught us persuasive (its whatever we knew from yr 10) plus they didnt even tell us how to write a discursive and dont even provide proper feedback when we submit stuff ourselves