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Hi.
I want to be an interpreter so I'm thinking about doing Japanese and Chinese in university...
Can someone please help? It doesn't have to be in Australia.
 
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I have a friend at USyd who is doing exactly what you want to do so I'm guessing it must be pretty good.

I would say that ANU would have many links to international unis so it might be good there too.
 

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i would say UNSW and USYD to have pretty good linguistics programs
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ANU is very good, especially for asian languages.
 
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Here's the no bullshit answer:

1. If you don't mind leaving Sydney, go to ANU:
Its program is massive, massive funding, massive opportunity to go overseas, massive name for itself in Asian languages. Doing something like BAsian Studies (Specialist) / Bxxx allows you to come out of uni as a very competitive prospective employee.

You really do need to be very competitive as jobs are really scarce -- most companies will naturally prefer to hire a fluent native speaker who lives here. Having an Aussie-born Jap who has no accent, who knows the customs, and can generally blend in will be 100000x better than some white Aussie who is fluent. The problem with a multicultural society, I'm afraid, is that other people bring incomparable skills... I suppose branching out a bit (they have a 'security' program, translation program, law, public policy, history, etc etc) would be good in terms of employment. K, I seem to be drifting...

2. I'm not sure whether you'd need a 'linguistics' major as such to become a proficient translator. Certain areas of linguistics would be totally wasted on someone who just wants to translate. Yes, having a metalinguistic mind is a must for a translator, but having the ability to quickly translate is more important. In fact, I think that introducing linguistics early into your career of speaking an Asian language would be a bad idea -- you'd be too hung up on linguistic theory when you'd just need to be able to communicate. All the universities seem to agree with me, because Asian languages are taught using the 'communicative' method. Introducing linguistics is something better to do once you're a bit more proficient. Assuming that you are proficient, and that you do want to do linguistics and Jap or Chinese...

3. If you want to stay in this city, go to USyd: It really depends on personal preference, but I'll just give you the real deal here:). Macquarie, UNSW, and USyd all offer programs which will allow you to do Japanese, Chinese, and linguistics, but USyd is the best in my opinion.

If you're after a good language/linguistics combo, you really can't got past USyd. Linguistics at Macquarie is focused hugely on its awesome phonetics/phonology/audiology centre - ie, speech problems - as well as psycho-linguistics. We're talking about speech pathology, really. Outside of that, undergrad's generally mediocre. Our MTrans is great, but that's postrad.

UNSW linguistics is a watered down version of what you will get at USyd, roughly on par with that at Macquarie. You have a similar general structure, but the detail is really missing. The lack of higher level subjects makes it slightly worse than Macquarie, imo.

Basically let's do a simple study:

UNSW 2007 with two first year units, eight second year units, and three third year units. Reasonably broad spread, not much choice in units, though.

Macquarie 2007 with three, six, ten. A lot of which focus on psycho-linguistics (snore) and phonetics/phonology/audiology.

USyd 2007 with three, six, seven. It is a very even spread. The subjects go into a lot of depth.

I know this is contrived and a bit superficial, but the more choice you have at a higher level, the better. The more in-depth the units go at a junior level, the better. I'm definitely looking at doing some cross-institutional study at USyd, and I've looked into it a fair bit.

4. Something worth noting as well is the opportunity to go overseas. Apparently Macquarie funds more than any other NSW uni for its students to go overseas. That being said, it can't compete against the infamous ANU year away, or the awesome linguistics courses at USyd. All unis have oppurtunities to go away.

5. If you're happy to go overseas, you have lots of money, and you want to leave home and study Japanese, go to Waseda: Waseda university takes on thousands of students a year just to teach them Jap. One of my friends is there at the moment, and he's loving it. Their intensive language classes are great, and you can take subjects in English so you don't get bored. This is stupid, in my opinion, as you can get the same experience whilst still being enrolled in an Aussie uni.

6.Instead of applying directly, enrol in an Aussie uni and go away for a year: Applying directly to the Asian uni itself is a bit difficult, and without backing from an Aussie uni, it's expensive. Rather, if you want to spend time overseas (which you really should), I'd definitely recommend enrolling in an Aussie uni and then applying to go overseas for a year. This is what my friend's doing for a year via a Macquarie travelling scholarship, and it's not costing him much at all. There's also problems of visas, citizenship and such if you want to apply directly for an Asian uni.

I have no idea where you'd go for Chinese, sorry, although I'd assume somewhere in China or Taiwan.

Okay, I didn't mean to type that much, but I hope it helps.. :p
 
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ANU is quite renown for its Asian Studies so thats definitely worth considering.

USYD/UNSW/ANU have very good exchange partners in Japan and China- Macq would probably have less recognised exchange partners. UNSW funds $3000 to BIntStudies students, im not sure about the other unis.

Some would argue going to UNSW is like going to a Chinese uni, there would be many chances to mix with Asian students to help your language studies. Im currently doing Chinese at UNSW. It has been quite good, but the dept can sometimes be really disorganised which is annoying. I hear the Japanese dept is quite good though

Im not sure about USYD, i thought their strengths would be in latin and classics
 
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phrred said:
USYD/UNSW/ANU have very good exchange partners in Japan and China- Macq would probably have less recognised exchange partners.
Nice generalising?

Macquarie is partners with Waseda. Waseda is the place to go for exchange in Japan. I don't know about China, though.

UNSW funds $3000 to BIntStudies students, im not sure about the other unis.
That's really not much... I'm getting over $4500 just to go to Egypt to dig. That's an entire three month trip paid for. $3000 would give you a three week trip to Japan.

Im not sure about USYD, i thought their strengths would be in latin and classics
What's Latin and Classics got to do with Asian Studies??? :S You're generalising again.

I know several people doing Japanese at USyd, and, from what I've seen, it's excellent. There are other threads on this, though.
 

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Thank you very much for your suggestions everyone!

I'm Chinese actually and I came to Australia four years ago. I've also passed level 1 of Japanese Level Proficiency Test when I was in year 10. Therefore I can already speak both languages fluently.

No I don't mind leaving Sydney at all. Frankly speaking I prefer somewhere else since I want to have some challenge.

Well my aim is to become a simultaneous interpreter actually. I know it's extremely hard but I want to do my best to achieve it.

Yes I know Waseda. (My favourite Japanese author Haruki Murakami graduated from this uni.^^) But the reason why I don't really want to go to a uni in Japan is that I don't know what courses I should take there. Their Japanese for foreigners must be too easy for me and their Japanese for Japanese must be too hard. On the top of that I really want to improve my English as well so...

Nah I'm not going back. School life in China's going to drive me insane.

K, so ANU is the best right? What about other unis around the world? In the US, maybe?

edit: Is this a good deal?↓
http://asianstudies.anu.edu.au/wiki/index.php/Bachelor_of_Translation_%28Asian_Region%29
 
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PwarYuex said:
Nice generalising?

Macquarie is partners with Waseda. Waseda is the place to go for exchange in Japan. I don't know about China, though.


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its hardly generalising. macq has a top uni in waseda, but unsw has waseda, keio, kyoto and usyd has waseda, tokyo, keio, kobe which are all top Japanese unis.

for China, Macq has Fudan which is very good but UNSW has beijing and tsinghua (considered the best two unis) and fudan, Sydney has those 3 plus Shanghai Jiaotong

So its quite clear UNSW and USYD has the edge in prestigious partners. If you think about it why would a top uni eg UPenn (Wharton) choose Macq over UNSW/USYD
 

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yeah unsw has beijing and tsinghwa, two of the best. go unsw.
 
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phrred said:
its hardly generalising.
Lol, you don't think saying ' Im not sure about USYD, i thought their strengths would be in latin and classics' is generalising?

macq has a top uni in waseda, but
Um:

pwaryuex said:
Waseda is the place to go for exchange in Japan. I don't know about China, though.
I'm not saying that Macquarie is better rather, I'm saying that ANU>USYD>all else. You were saying that UNSW>MQ when it comes to exchange partners, and I'm saying a) this doesn't matter (why would you want to go to Japan and study chemistry at Kobe?), and b) who cares, because USYD>both MQ and UNSW.

unsw has waseda, keio, kyoto and usyd has waseda, tokyo, keio, kobe which are all top Japanese unis.
Lol again. These are all great unis, no doubt, especially Keio. But Waseda wins hands down when it comes to exchange. If, for some unknown reason, you wanted to study anything other than Japanese, let's consider the fact that USyd has three universities in the Tokyo 6, versus UNSW's two. And telling a Japanese student that Tokyo 6 is no good is like telling an American that Ivy League is no good.

for China, Macq has Fudan which is very good but UNSW has beijing and tsinghua (considered the best two unis) and fudan, Sydney has those 3 plus Shanghai Jiaotong
Again, USYD clearly has better partners than UNSW. Thanks for your supporting my initial suggestion:
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3. If you want to stay in this city, go to USyd
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yuriblossom said:
Yes I know Waseda. (My favourite Japanese author Haruki Murakami graduated from this uni.^^) But the reason why I don't really want to go to a uni in Japan is that I don't know what courses I should take there. Their Japanese for foreigners must be too easy for me and their Japanese for Japanese must be too hard. On the top of that I really want to improve my English as well so...

Nah I'm not going back. School life in China's going to drive me insane.
Good. Well like I said, I think the best option would be to go to a Aussie uni and do exchange. You cannot underestimate going somewhere with a proven teaching method like Waseda.

To draw a comparison, I'm going to be forking out thousands of dollars, as much as five times other schools, next holidays to go to a German school with a proven teaching method. The school has an enormous waiting list because they know how to teach the best German in the
quickest possible time. Waseda's the same with teaching Japanese, and that's why it's so competitive to get in.
K, so ANU is the best right?
Well I'm sure we'll have more visitations claiming that UNSW is the best uni in the world :rolleyes:, but in my opinion, ANU would be the best choice this side of Asia.


What about other unis around the world? In the US, maybe?
I really have no idea, sorry. I've been looking at US unis recently with regards to Fullbright Scholarship opportunities, but not in relation to Asian Studies. Maybe someone knowledgeable can chime in? Some research in the area (looking at uni websites would be a good start...) would inform you immensely.

I really have no idea specifically on that one, I was looking at doing a BAsian Studies(Spec) / Bsomething.

I haven't got the understanding of ANU's system to tell you the intrinsic difference of those degrees, but it looks like the BTranslation has an obviously communicative linguistic translation core. Maybe an ANU student can tell us the main differences between a BTrans and the other units, apart from the cores.

I'll take back what I said about linguistics with you, you've obviously had a lot of experience with asian languages, so information about linguistics (which the BTrans @ ANU provides) would be helpful. It's really unhelpful, though, when you're at the beginner's stage of a living language.
 

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