dieburndie said:
A true socialist? What the fuck?
Are you serious at all?
Sure, social, political and economic collectivisation, and a few other attributes is what we call a socialsist system. Whether we infuse it with democracy, and call it democratic socialism, or with nationalism and call it national socialism etc. comes after the establishment of the socialist benchmark.
I mean for starters, what about the brutal opposition to the SPD and Communism?
Socialists and communists always have their little infighting, remember the all the Trotsky Stalin feuds, why do you think the people needed four internationals?
Sure, I know the regime had a few economic attriibutes which might be comparable to socialism, but calling him a true socialist is a major stretch.
Tell me how you came to this conclusion, without the use of "His party had it in it's name", because that doesn't really explain anything
It explains alot of things actually, the NSDAP was orignially founded as simply as the "German Workers Party" or DAP, people who were essentially socialists but did not adhere to the Marxist view of world revolution, but rather prefered to keep their national identity. To which people like you would say would rule out the socialist label, but I point you to the overt nationalism generated out of every other socialist country, the USSR, China, Cuba or the USSR's concept of "socialism in one state," heck the USSR and China nearly went to war a few times (or actually did have a few limited conflicts), socialist infighting is common.
Seriously man read the 25 point program and say with a stright face thats not socialism on paper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program#German_Party_Platform
points 9-23 especially
# All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
# The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:
# Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.
# In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
# We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
# We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
# We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
# We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
# We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
# We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
# We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
# The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
# The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
# We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
# We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
