Fuck Rudd is a dickhead (2 Viewers)

[moll.]

And it didn't matter if it was economically sound, the Costello Treasury under Howard was actually despite what many believe, terrible for the economy. It was a hollow "strong" economy with hailed "surpluses" that were just more than the government expected to earn and an excuse to lower taxes despite this not helping at all

Who cares how many tax breaks were given? Just as long as the budget was still in surplus, there was no harm in this. In fact, many would argue that there is great benefit in the longer-term from lower taxes.
You're also forgetting that whilst income tax fell during the Howard era, consumption tax rose (GST), so some of these tax decreases are offset. Not to mention the fact that earnings from compnay tax skyrocketed during the period, so it makes good sense to give the extra cash back to individuals.

 

[moll.]

I'm not big on either major party, I'm usually a Liberal supporter but their across the country is lacklustre atm (Heard of any NSW shadow ministers? Didn't think so ). Labor doesn't go well with me, I look at them for the lols, like that funny chap Mark Latham. Tbh I reckon Johnny was doing a better job than the fear-mongerers portrayed, the economy went along fairly smooth so that's not too bad.

The reason that Howard lost his seat was the peasants picked up their hammers and sickles and chased him out.

I acknowledge that Peter Garrett did not personally go out and light up houses and plugging tradees into the wall, but the government should have accounted for the idiots that may be hired through this scheme. It was not thought out as well as it should have been. Poor policy relying on poor quality workers, it was a stunt to try and get the greenies onside and make it look like the government's putting money into the community.

The term "Fucking Labor" stands.


(Still not talking about Tony Abbott)

That's less of a commentary on the quality of the ministers and more upon how defunct the state government institution is to Australia.

 

[Slidey]

I'm alarmed that so many people hate Rudd whenever I think about the alternative. Rudd's had a couple of stupid policies, such as the internet censorship and the (poorly managed) 'education revolution', but face it people, he's better than Abbott, and if you think you need to vote abbott in to realise this, you should be ashamed

No mate, that's rubbish. Internet censorship is one of the absolute worst policies a government can ever pass. More than worth voting them out of office for.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

deciding who to vote for is getting harder and harder. they both know nothing of economics which is a major factor in my vote. they both want to spend lots of money into their inefficient schemes. they only difference between them is the bidding war on who can waste the most amount of money quickly.

i hope that by the next debate Abbot has his own health plan that will challenge the governments vague lets throw tons of money at it plan. for this crappy system to work they need to look at the micro economics of the situation not just macro

 

[absorber]

Please provide evidence as to why he's better than Abbott, rather than wishy-washy personal attacks, or shut the fuck up and let the adults speak.

Abbott:
has ridiculously conservative views
as Rudd does not want us to forget, was health minister and did little to help it = whatever health plan he comes up with is unlikely to be good (irrelevant of whether rudd's is ultimately a success or not)
wants a maternity leave scheme which somehow seems to command respect of the greens but not the liberals themselves = lack of party unity = poor governance

Rudd:
He did do a lot to stop the supposed recession, this must be admitted
he's labour, which means ideology he'll only deliver tax cuts to people who don't earn over, say, 150k a year (though sadly this hasn't happened so far)
He HAS a hospital plan, does abbott? The system needs overhauling, personally I like the federal approach on this issue

 

[absorber]

No mate, that's rubbish. Internet censorship is one of the absolute worst policies a government can ever pass. More than worth voting them out of office for.

Dude. TONY ABBOTT. He is going to be much more 'family friendly' than Rudd. If you don't want censorship, vote for the greens (but these guys tend to support labor more than the libs anyway). But I'm quite sure abbott would do the same if not more in regard to censorship. He's much more conservative than rudd, rudd only introduced the policy to get votes, but abbott actually believes in this shit

 

[moll.]

No no no no wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Devolution of powers promotes competition between governmental bodies and leads to better outcomes.

MUCH BETTER OUTCOMES.

Federalising everything is hugely bad

Whether federalism is hugely bad or not is irrelevant, Nolan. It's happenning nonethless, and the state governments are become useless institutions as the feds take everything over.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

Whether federalism is hugely bad or not is irrelevant, Nolan. It's happenning nonethless, and the state governments are become useless institutions as the feds take everything over.

does anybody else see the beginning steps to a socialist gov?

 

[moll.]

Abbott:
has ridiculously conservative views

Subjective bullshit.

as Rudd does not want us to forget, was health minister and did little to help it = whatever health plan he comes up with is unlikely to be good (irrelevant of whether rudd's is ultimately a success or not)

So you shouldn't vote for Abbott because he will have a terrible hospital plan, but it's perfectly OK to vote for Rudd, despite him also having a terrible hospital plan?

wants a maternity leave scheme which somehow seems to command respect of the greens but not the liberals themselves = lack of party unity = poor governance

Lack of party unity doesn't make a terrible leader.

Rudd:
He did do a lot to stop the supposed recession, this must be admitted

No he didn't. He did a terrible job. He dugs holes and filled them with 100 dollar bills. Any year 11 Economics student could have done better than him.

he's labour, which means ideology he'll only deliver tax cuts to people who don't earn over, say, 150k a year (though sadly this hasn't happened so far)

And this is a good thing why? Because you're poor? Greedy lil bastard.

He HAS a hospital plan, does abbott? The system needs overhauling, personally I like the federal approach on this issue

Again, more subjective crap.
If he actually gave some money to the states, rather than hoarding it or passing it out in the form of useless school halls, then the hospitals wouldn't be in such a terrible state.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

No he didn't. He did a terrible job. He dugs holes and filled them with 100 dollar bills. Any year 11 Economics student could have done better than him.

sad thing is. the Keynesian ideology that Rudd has used is the only thing taught in year 11 economics. not even a mention of Murray Rothbard or Milton freedmen

 

[absorber]

Subjective bullshit.


So you shouldn't vote for Abbott because he will have a terrible hospital plan, but it's perfectly OK to vote for Rudd, despite him also having a terrible hospital plan?


Lack of party unity doesn't make a terrible leader.


No he didn't. He did a terrible job. He dugs holes and filled them with 100 dollar bills. Any year 11 Economics student could have done better than him.


And this is a good thing why? Because you're poor? Greedy lil bastard.


Again, more subjective crap.
If he actually gave some money to the states, rather than hoarding it or passing it out in the form of useless school halls, then the hospitals wouldn't be in such a terrible state.

You know, the above just proves why I shouldn't bother arguing. Also rudd has a health plan. Abbott does not. By default Rudd> abbott in this aspect

 

[scuba_steve2121]

You know, the above just proves why I shouldn't bother arguing. Also rudd has a health plan. Abbott does not. By default Rudd> abbott in this aspect

Abbot was put on the spot, the subject of health was never really brought up before then

Abbot hopefully in the next 2 weeks will devise a health plan

 

[withoutaface]

sad thing is. the Keynesian ideology that Rudd has used is the only thing taught in year 11 economics. not even a mention of Murray Rothbard or Milton freedmen

Friedman was a post-Keynsian too.

RE: Rudd v Abbott: Abbott is well and truly the lesser of two evils. He thinks aloud and says silly things, but I see this as very genuine and a nice change from Rudd's ability to talk for hours and say nothing. Rudd's also more insidious, insofar as he is actively attempting to legislate morality, while Abbott will say things but have no real intention of following through on them.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

Friedman was a post-Keynsian too.

yes he realised that it was stupid, a thing most people struggle with today. then went on to promote the free market and freedom

 

[moll.]

You know, the above just proves why I shouldn't bother arguing. Also rudd has a health plan. Abbott does not. By default Rudd> abbott in this aspect

So a bad health plan is better than keeping the status quo? Nice.
Also, Scuba Steve's (I lolled a bit writing that) right. Rudd's health plan came out of nowhere and gave the opposition little time to prepare a response. Personally, I would prefer a leader who actually takes his time formulating a policy which will affect the country for generations to come, wouldn't you?

 

[SnowFox]

Going in, making sure they knew i arrived, leaving a blank ballot.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

So a bad health plan is better than keeping the status quo? Nice.
Also, Scuba Steve's (I lolled a bit writing that) right. Rudd's health plan came out of nowhere and gave the opposition little time to prepare a response. Personally, I would prefer a leader who actually takes his time formulating a policy which will affect the country for generations to come, wouldn't you?

I'd prefer full privatisation of the health care system but we don't always get what we want...........................

but to answer your question yes i would prefer a leader to take months in careful planning and analysis but unless abbot thinks of something Rudd is going to take full advantage

 

[Phoenix Fury]

Going in, making sure they knew i arrived, leaving a blank ballot.

Do a poo before hand and leave your arse unwiped and wipe it with your ballot.

 

[Zrap]

Tony Abbott is a faggot

 

[moll.]

Tony Abbott is a faggot

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