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I'm not exactly sure which way you did it, but the answer is right (you have a typo though, should be , which is obviously what you meant from the line before).






And a fundamental mechanics question: Prove that the angle of projection required for maximum range is radians, assuming that the projectile is launched from the real-life equivalent of the origin, (0,0) (not that it really matters).

Oh. and a fun question. True or false, without using calculus -
 

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post the solution to that mechanics question. i dont much about maths extension II projectile motion
 

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Lol it's 3U, not 4U projectile motion. I didn't mean 4U mechanics when I posted the question. My bad. You just apply the formulae for the x and y directions in creative ways then it basically turns into a max/min problem.

I'll give you a hint bleak, as it's not fun spilling the beans on someone so quick, especially since you're supposed to be owning us:

, where is horizontal displacement, is the angle of projection, is the acceleration due to gravity, is time, and initial velocity. Let y=0. Remember, you're trying to find the angle such that it gives maximum range.
 

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y=(-1/2)gt^2+Vtsinθ
Range occurs when y=0,
t=(2Vsinθ)/g
Now, x=Vtcosθ
Range occurs when y=0 ie when t=(2Vsinθ)/g,
x=V[(2Vsinθ)/g]cosθ
x=[2V^2sinθcosθ]/g
x=[V^2sin(2θ)]/g
dx/dθ=[2V^2cos(2θ)]/g
Maximum range occurs when dx/dθ=0,
2V^2cos(2θ)/g=0
cos(2θ)=0
2θ=90
θ=45=pi/4 radians
 

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y=(-1/2)gt^2+Vtsinθ
Range occurs when y=0,
t=(2Vsinθ)/g
Now, x=Vtcosθ
Range occurs when y=0 ie when t=(2Vsinθ)/g,
x=V[(2Vsinθ)/g]cosθ
x=[2V^2sinθcosθ]/g
x=[V^2sin(2θ)]/g
dx/dθ=[2V^2cos(2θ)]/g
Maximum range occurs when dx/dθ=0,
2V^2cos(2θ)/g=0
cos(2θ)=0
2θ=90
θ=45=pi/4 radians
One problem: You didn't answer the question properly. You forgot to prove that the stationary point at θ=45 is a max T.P
It's incredibly important that you prove that the stationary point is either a max or a min T.P. If you don't prove it, then you've just stated a value which could either give a max, min or an invalid answer, depending on whether there were limits placed. Hence, not giving what the markers want.
 

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I did it with a graph. I don't think there's any other way to do it.
 

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Can that result be quoted in exams, or do you have to prove it first?
I don't know. Depends on your teacher.

In the HSC you probably wont get this type of question exactly though. There'll be a step before it or give you a hint...
 

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I can't immediately see how that result fits the question though.
Because 3pi/8 + pi/8 = pi/2

So the second term becomes cot (pi/2 -x) = tan x

So you're integrating tanx -tanx ie. 0 so integral is 0.
 

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Because 3pi/8 + pi/8 = pi/2

So the second term becomes cot (pi/2 -x) = tan x

So you're integrating tanx -tanx ie. 0 so integral is 0.
=_=

If only I knew that. The I wouldn't have had to waste 5 min graphing that damn graph. I could've done another question... Probably failed the test >_>
And shadow, could you perhaps rewrite what you were trying to write in tex? I don't understand what you wrote.

And I'm gong to chuck random questions from the test I did today until bleak folds.



This one was a 7 marker :p
 

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=_=

If only I knew that. The I wouldn't have had to waste 5 min graphing that damn graph. I could've done another question... Probably failed the test >_>
And shadow, could you perhaps rewrite what you were trying to write in tex? I don't understand what you wrote.

And I'm gong to chuck random questions from the test I did today until bleak folds.



This one was a 7 marker :p
1. That was in tex, here it is again:





2. I could cheat via the Mean Value Theorem =P
 

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Isn't that the perpendicular distance formula?





For some stupid reason there are stupid br/ tags in my post. Solution to that would be nice.

And no cheating shadow, it's moar fun this way =)
 

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